Do you guys realize just how spoiled we are?

[hockeylover86]

Originally Posted by CanadianZL1#992

When I was 16, my 19 year old cousin bought a brand new buick GN. That was the car to have and the car to beat in the late 80's. 'We spent a lot of Friday nights hunting mustangs. Lol

I graduated HS in '86.

Yes the GN was THE car back then, almost a legend right from the start.

I wish I could go back in time with an A8 Hellcat just to see how people would have reacted back then...

[big dave]

Originally Posted by hockeylover86

I graduated HS in '86.

Yes the GN was THE car back then, almost a legend right from the start.

I wish I could go back in time with an A8 Hellcat just to see how people would have reacted back then...

It's all relative. The only time I've seen hellcats has been at car shows. Surprisingly, I never see them getting much attention...considering just how bad ass that car is. I guess for the average person, it's just another Challenger or Charger. I'm fascinated by them though.

The Grand National was out for a few years before it really became known. It was always black and beautiful, but really got know once they pumped a few 'roids into it and started smacking down pretty much anything back then.

[hockeylover86]

Originally Posted by big dave

It's all relative. The only time I've seen hellcats has been at car shows. Surprisingly, I never see them getting much attention...considering just how bad ass that car is. I guess for the average person, it's just another Challenger or Charger. I'm fascinated by them though.

The Grand National was out for a few years before it really became known. It was always black and beautiful, but really got know once they pumped a few 'roids into it and started smacking down pretty much anything back then.

Yep, the pre-86 hot-air GN's didn't get much attention, but when the intercooled cars came out in 86 thats when the interest started for me. The GNX and TTA helped push recognition a bit in later years.

My comment about the Hellcat had more to do with who thought back in 1987 that there would ever be a showroom stock Dodge with double the power of a GNX for virtually less cost in today's money? Not to mention a top speed 25mph faster than a Lamborghini Countach.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by hockeylover86

Yep, the pre-86 hot-air GN's didn't get much attention, but when the intercooled cars came out in 86 thats when the interest started for me. The GNX and TTA helped push recognition a bit in later years.

My comment about the Hellcat had more to do with who thought back in 1987 that there would ever be a showroom stock Dodge with double the power of a GNX for virtually less cost in today's money? Not to mention a top speed 25mph faster than a Lamborghini Countach.

add to that... who would have thought a Camaro V6 would make 335 HP in 2016!

Your right about pre 86 the GN not getting attention. Turbo and V6 didn't inspire confidence in a world accustom to V8 power. My first new car was a 84 Monte SS and at that time the GN wasn't a big deal. After the intercooler arrived in 86, it was the hottest car. 87 was all about the GN (and U2 Joshua Tree)

[hammdo]

My '68 ran 10's, but NOT a stock engine -- was street legal.

Fun days then and now!

-Don

[Ernest T]

Even in the good old days of the late 60s a Road Runner could only do in the low 13's in the 1/4 mile and that was one of the fastest stock cars on the road. I had one of the last really high horsepower muscle cars, a 1970 Chevelle SS 396 with cowl induction. It put out 375 hp and was only capable of ~14 second 1/4 mile at about 100 mph. These engines were capable of a lot more, but the chassis and drive train let them down. Then in 1971, new pollution rules kicked in and the insurance companies took aim at the muscle cars and that was all she wrote. At least for 20 years or so. Lots of cars blow these times out of the water in 2015 AND get great gas mileage and have lots of amenities. The 1968 road runner didn't even come with an AM radio.

Here's a listing of 1/4 mile times for most cars tested in magazines in 1970:

1970 AMC AMX (MT)
390ci/325hp, 4spd, 3.54, 0-60 - 6.5, 1/4 mile - 14.68 @ 92mph
1970 AMC AMX (PHR)
360ci/315hp, 4spd, 3.51, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.90 @ 94.63mph
1970 AMC Javelin SST (CL)
390ci/325hp, 3spd auto, 3.15, 0-60 - 7.6, 1/4 mile - 15.11 @ 91.5mph
1970 AMC Rebel Machine (HR)
390ci/340hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.49 @ 93mph

1970 Buick Skylark GS (HC)
455ci/360hp, 4spd, 3.64, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.72 @ 105.01mph
1970 Buick Skylark GS (MT)
455ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.64, 1/4 mile - 13.38 @ 105mph
1970 Buick Skylark GSX (CC)
445ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.64, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.28 @ 99.77mph
1970 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS454 (CL)
454ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 2.73, 0-60 - 7.7, 1/4 mile - 16.2 @ 90.1mph
1970 Chevelle SS396 (CL)
396ci/350hp, 3spd auto, 3.31, 0-60 - 8.1, 1/4 mile - 15.5 @ 90mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (SSC)
450ci/450hp, 3spd auto, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.55 @ 104mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (CC)
454ci/450hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile 13.12 @ 107.01mph

1970 Chevelle SS454 (CD)
454ci/450hp, 3spd auto, 3.70, 0-60 - 5.4, 1/4 mile 13.81 @ 103.80mph

1970 Chevelle SS454 (HR)
454ci/450hp, 4spd, 4.11, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.44 @ 108.17mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (MT)
350ci/370hp, 3spd, 3.73, 0-60 - 7.0, 1/4 mile - 15.4 @ 94mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (CC)
350ci/370hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.11 @ 102.73mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (HC)
350ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.88 @ 101mph
1970 Nova SS (CC)
350ci/300hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.90 @ 94mph
1970 Nova SS (RT)
396ci/350hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.7 @ 98.02mph
1970 Corvette (CL)
350ci/370hp, 4spd, 4.11, 0-60 - 5.7, 1/4 mile - 14.17 @ 102.15mph

1970 Chrysler 300-Hurst (CL)
440ci/375hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 7.1, 1/4 mile - 15.30 @ 94.93mph
1970 Dodge Dart (CC)
340ci/275hp, 3spd std, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.70 @ 96.84mph
1970 Dodge Charger R/T (CL)
440ci/375hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.71 @ 96.67mph
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (PHR)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.33 @ 99.88mph
1970 Dodge Challenger 340 (HC)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.55 @ 97mph
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (CC)
440ci/390hp, 3spd auto, 3.2.3, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.62 @ 104.28mph
1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible R/T (CL)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 3.54, 0-60 - 7.1, 1/4 mile - 14.64 @ 97.82mph

1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (CD)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 5.8, 1/4 mile - 14. 10 @ 103.20mph
1970 Dodge Challenger SE (CC)
426ci/425hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.3, 1/4 mile - 13. 10 @ 107.12mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (PHR)
428ci/335hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.03 @ 98.89mph
1970 Mustang Boss 302 (CL)
302ci/290hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - 6.5, 1/4 mile - 14.85 @ 96.10mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (MT)
351ci/300hp, 3spd, 3.00, 0-60 - 8.2, 1/4 mile - 16.0 @ 86.2mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (CC)
351ci/300hp, 4spd, 3.50, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.23 @ 94.33mph
1970 Mustang Boss 429 (SS)
429ci/375hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.64 @ 104.65mph
1970 Ford Torino GT (CL)
351ci/300hp, 4spd, 3.25, 0-60 - 8.1, 1/4 mile - 15.6 @ 89.5mph
1970 Ford Torino (MT)
429ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3,50, 0-60 - 6.0, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 100.2mph
1970 Ford Torino (CC)
429ci/375hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.85 @ 104.06mph
1970 Ford Torino SCJ (SS)
429ci/370hp, auto, 3.91, 1/4 mile - 13.62@ 105.90mph
1970 Mercury Cyclone (MT)
429ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3.50, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 99mph
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator (CL)
302ci/290hp, 4spd, 4.30, 0-60 - 7.6, 1/4 mile - 15.8 @ 90mph
1970 Cutlass Rallye 350 (CL)
350ci/310hp, 4spd, 3.42, 0-60 - 7.0, 1/4 mile - 15.27 @ 94.33mph
1970 Cutlass W31 (PHR)
350ci/325hp, 3spd auto, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.62 @ 96.05mph
1970 Cutlass SX (MT)
455ci/365hp, 3spd auto, 3.08, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.80 @95mph
1970 Cutlass 442 (HC)
455ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.89@ 103.22mph
1970 Plymouth Duster 340 (CC)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile 14.22 @ 98mph
1970 Plymouth Duster 340 (CL)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 6.2, 1/4 mile - 14.72 @ 94.24mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda AAR (CL)
340ci/290hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 99mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (RT)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.36 @ 94mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (MT)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 96mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (CL)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 7.5, 1/4 mile - 15.0 @ 94mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 440+6 (PHR)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.97 @ 104mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda (CC)
426ci/425hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.10 @ 107mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda (CC)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.69 @ 105.63mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda Covertible (HPC)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - 5.6, 1/4 mile - 13.45 @ 105mph
1970 Plymouth Road Runner (MT)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.06 @ 101.69mph
1970 Plymouth Road Runner (SS)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.34 @ 107.50mph
1970 Pontiac Grand Prix SJ (HPC)
455ci/370hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.19 @ 101.29mph
1970 GTO (HPC)
400ci/366hp, 4spd, 3.90, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.45 @ 100mph
1970 GTO (CC)
400ci/370hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.02 @ 98.90mph
1970 GTO (CD)
455ci/360hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 15.00 @ 96.50mph
1970 GTO (CL)
455ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.76 @ 95.94mph
1970 Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 (CL)
400ci/330hp, 3spd auto, 3.07, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.86 @ 95.54mph
1970 Pontiac Trans Am (HR)
400ci/345hp, 4spd, 3.91, 1/4 mile - 13.90 @ 102mph

[big dave]

Originally Posted by Ernest T

Even in the good old days of the late 60s a Road Runner could only do in the low 13's in the 1/4 mile and that was one of the fastest stock cars on the road. I had one of the last really high horsepower muscle cars, a 1970 Chevelle SS 396 with cowl induction. It put out 375 hp and was only capable of ~14 second 1/4 mile at about 100 mph. These engines were capable of a lot more, but the chassis and drive train let them down. Then in 1971, new pollution rules kicked in and the insurance companies took aim at the muscle cars and that was all she wrote. At least for 20 years or so. Lots of cars blow these times out of the water in 2015 AND get great gas mileage and have lots of amenities. The 1968 road runner didn't even come with an AM radio.

Here's a listing of 1/4 mile times for most cars tested in magazines in 1970:

1970 AMC AMX (MT)
390ci/325hp, 4spd, 3.54, 0-60 - 6.5, 1/4 mile - 14.68 @ 92mph
1970 AMC AMX (PHR)
360ci/315hp, 4spd, 3.51, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.90 @ 94.63mph
1970 AMC Javelin SST (CL)
390ci/325hp, 3spd auto, 3.15, 0-60 - 7.6, 1/4 mile - 15.11 @ 91.5mph
1970 AMC Rebel Machine (HR)
390ci/340hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.49 @ 93mph

1970 Buick Skylark GS (HC)
455ci/360hp, 4spd, 3.64, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.72 @ 105.01mph
1970 Buick Skylark GS (MT)
455ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.64, 1/4 mile - 13.38 @ 105mph
1970 Buick Skylark GSX (CC)
445ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.64, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.28 @ 99.77mph
1970 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS454 (CL)
454ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 2.73, 0-60 - 7.7, 1/4 mile - 16.2 @ 90.1mph
1970 Chevelle SS396 (CL)
396ci/350hp, 3spd auto, 3.31, 0-60 - 8.1, 1/4 mile - 15.5 @ 90mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (SSC)
450ci/450hp, 3spd auto, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.55 @ 104mph
1970 Chevelle SS454 (CC)
454ci/450hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile 13.12 @ 107.01mph

1970 Chevelle SS454 (CD)
454ci/450hp, 3spd auto, 3.70, 0-60 - 5.4, 1/4 mile 13.81 @ 103.80mph

1970 Chevelle SS454 (HR)
454ci/450hp, 4spd, 4.11, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.44 @ 108.17mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (MT)
350ci/370hp, 3spd, 3.73, 0-60 - 7.0, 1/4 mile - 15.4 @ 94mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (CC)
350ci/370hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.11 @ 102.73mph
1970 Camaro Z/28 (HC)
350ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.88 @ 101mph
1970 Nova SS (CC)
350ci/300hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.90 @ 94mph
1970 Nova SS (RT)
396ci/350hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.7 @ 98.02mph
1970 Corvette (CL)
350ci/370hp, 4spd, 4.11, 0-60 - 5.7, 1/4 mile - 14.17 @ 102.15mph

1970 Chrysler 300-Hurst (CL)
440ci/375hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 7.1, 1/4 mile - 15.30 @ 94.93mph
1970 Dodge Dart (CC)
340ci/275hp, 3spd std, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.70 @ 96.84mph
1970 Dodge Charger R/T (CL)
440ci/375hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.71 @ 96.67mph
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (PHR)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.33 @ 99.88mph
1970 Dodge Challenger 340 (HC)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.55 @ 97mph
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (CC)
440ci/390hp, 3spd auto, 3.2.3, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.62 @ 104.28mph
1970 Dodge Challenger Convertible R/T (CL)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 3.54, 0-60 - 7.1, 1/4 mile - 14.64 @ 97.82mph

1970 Dodge Challenger R/T (CD)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 5.8, 1/4 mile - 14. 10 @ 103.20mph
1970 Dodge Challenger SE (CC)
426ci/425hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.3, 1/4 mile - 13. 10 @ 107.12mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (PHR)
428ci/335hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.03 @ 98.89mph
1970 Mustang Boss 302 (CL)
302ci/290hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - 6.5, 1/4 mile - 14.85 @ 96.10mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (MT)
351ci/300hp, 3spd, 3.00, 0-60 - 8.2, 1/4 mile - 16.0 @ 86.2mph
1970 Mustang Mach 1 (CC)
351ci/300hp, 4spd, 3.50, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.23 @ 94.33mph
1970 Mustang Boss 429 (SS)
429ci/375hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.64 @ 104.65mph
1970 Ford Torino GT (CL)
351ci/300hp, 4spd, 3.25, 0-60 - 8.1, 1/4 mile - 15.6 @ 89.5mph
1970 Ford Torino (MT)
429ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3,50, 0-60 - 6.0, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 100.2mph
1970 Ford Torino (CC)
429ci/375hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.85 @ 104.06mph
1970 Ford Torino SCJ (SS)
429ci/370hp, auto, 3.91, 1/4 mile - 13.62@ 105.90mph
1970 Mercury Cyclone (MT)
429ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3.50, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 99mph
1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator (CL)
302ci/290hp, 4spd, 4.30, 0-60 - 7.6, 1/4 mile - 15.8 @ 90mph
1970 Cutlass Rallye 350 (CL)
350ci/310hp, 4spd, 3.42, 0-60 - 7.0, 1/4 mile - 15.27 @ 94.33mph
1970 Cutlass W31 (PHR)
350ci/325hp, 3spd auto, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.62 @ 96.05mph
1970 Cutlass SX (MT)
455ci/365hp, 3spd auto, 3.08, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.80 @95mph
1970 Cutlass 442 (HC)
455ci/370hp, 3spd auto, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.89@ 103.22mph
1970 Plymouth Duster 340 (CC)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile 14.22 @ 98mph
1970 Plymouth Duster 340 (CL)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 3.23, 0-60 - 6.2, 1/4 mile - 14.72 @ 94.24mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda AAR (CL)
340ci/290hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 99mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (RT)
340ci/275hp, 4spd, 3.91, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 15.36 @ 94mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (MT)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.5 @ 96mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 340 (CL)
340ci/275hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 7.5, 1/4 mile - 15.0 @ 94mph
1970 Plymouth Cuda 440+6 (PHR)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.97 @ 104mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda (CC)
426ci/425hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.10 @ 107mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda (CC)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.69 @ 105.63mph
1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda Covertible (HPC)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - 5.6, 1/4 mile - 13.45 @ 105mph
1970 Plymouth Road Runner (MT)
440ci/390hp, 4spd, 4.10, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.06 @ 101.69mph
1970 Plymouth Road Runner (SS)
426ci/425hp, 3spd auto, 4.10, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 13.34 @ 107.50mph
1970 Pontiac Grand Prix SJ (HPC)
455ci/370hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.19 @ 101.29mph
1970 GTO (HPC)
400ci/366hp, 4spd, 3.90, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.45 @ 100mph
1970 GTO (CC)
400ci/370hp, 4spd, 3.55, 0-60 - n/a, 1/4 mile - 14.02 @ 98.90mph
1970 GTO (CD)
455ci/360hp, 4spd, 3.31, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 15.00 @ 96.50mph
1970 GTO (CL)
455ci/360hp, 3spd auto, 3.55, 0-60 - 6.6, 1/4 mile - 14.76 @ 95.94mph
1970 Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 (CL)
400ci/330hp, 3spd auto, 3.07, 0-60 - 6.4, 1/4 mile - 14.86 @ 95.54mph
1970 Pontiac Trans Am (HR)
400ci/345hp, 4spd, 3.91, 1/4 mile - 13.90 @ 102mph

Great list! Thanks for sharing!