10-14-2018, 03:25 PM | #2479 | |
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“The OHV engine is nowhere even close to being maxed. GM has soo many options to choose from. Plus look at the fact that the most powerful engines in the fastest cars that are affordable by most people are pushrod. GM has the 755 hp LT5, Dodge has the 707 HP Hellcat, the 797 HP Redeye, and the 808-840 HP Demon. And GM isn't even near the max of where they can take compression on their NA engines nor are they using DFI like Ford is. I could see GM pushing the 6.2 to 500 or more HP. And they could push a 7.0 higher than that. Or drop a 454 small block. They have tons of options.” The LT1’s intake (not manifold) is pretty near the limit. There is a little in the intake manifold. I could see a small push in compression, 12.0:1 max. Cams, I don’t see anything there that can happen from a factory perspective. VVT is doing what it can. Tune, on premium gasoline, is pretty much as far as will be pushed factory, just to accommodate possible increased compression or a manifold change. Exhaust manifolds will never become headers, nor do I think there will be any change from what it is (hey, the Camaro GT4 car uses the factory manifolds). Cylinders heads, maybe a little there. Increased displacement? Nope. Emissions and fuel economy. More RPM? Nope. Decreased efficiency and fuel economy. Potentially reduced durability in relation to cost. Water injection? Probably not. All stuff that’s been spoken about already. So, where does that leave us? Around the 480-490 fHP area. Maybe 500, but that’s probably it. Let’s just say, about 30 fHP potential. A DOHC has more flexibility and capability in RPM, VVT, cams and compression for a given displacement. |
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10-14-2018, 03:46 PM | #2480 | |
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10-15-2018, 04:35 AM | #2481 | |
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10-15-2018, 07:40 AM | #2482 |
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Yes how is that torque curve advantage working out as the A10 18 GT in reviews is clearly faster in 0-60, 1/4, and top end despite being heavier.
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10-15-2018, 08:12 AM | #2483 | |
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Max LT1 6.2L NA vs max Coyote Gen3 5.0L NA (both OEM offerings), the Coyote likely has the slight edge, but are close. |
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10-15-2018, 09:28 AM | #2484 | |
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Quarter is a wash, and I've seen the Camaro come out on top more consistently. I know about Evan Smith and all the 11s the mag reviewers ran. It's just that maybe 1 out of 20 can actually achieve those times on street tires. |
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10-15-2018, 09:59 AM | #2485 | |
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10-15-2018, 10:18 AM | #2486 | |
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If those mag times can't be gotten on the street, or owners have to jump through hoops, they are meaningless as far I'm concerned. It's known the Coyote is gutless down low. Any GT owner that has driven an SS will notice the torque difference immediately. |
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10-15-2018, 10:51 AM | #2487 | |
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10-15-2018, 11:41 AM | #2488 | |
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I compare private owner times for both cars. Anyway, all the instrumented tests in the world can't change what happens out on the street. My 2007 MS3 was instrumented at 5.8 0 60, yet pretty much no one could actually achieve that time. Yet we all felt proud making that claim even when Grandma with her V6 Camry could take us at a light. |
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10-15-2018, 12:31 PM | #2489 | |
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The 18 GT* being 3-tenths quicker? Not so much. * GT, A10, PP, Michelin PS, 3.55 in drag race mode
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10-15-2018, 01:08 PM | #2490 | |
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MotorTrend - 12.1 118.8 mph. HotRod - 11:86 119.05 mph. Cars.com - 11.90s no mph given. I'll be waiting for any review which shows the SS under 3-tenth of these times. The SS has had 3 full years to get this done.
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10-15-2018, 01:34 PM | #2491 |
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You're 2 years late. High elevens are old news on the SS. BTW, just saw a stock 11.9 (56 deg. 900' DA) in the Mustang forums. I rushed outside to see if the moon was blue, but I accept that with no questions, especially in those conditions. If accepted on to the fast list, it might be the first 11.9 on the list. But, It's not instrumented by a Mag reviewer, so it doesn't matter right?
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10-15-2018, 01:37 PM | #2492 | |
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