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Old 07-08-2012, 08:17 AM   #99
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Interesting review, the ZL1 he seemed like he was bored to drive but couldn't get the smile off his face in the GT500. The ZL1 did beat the GT500 on that short course/auto cross track, that thing was hardly a road course.
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Old 07-08-2012, 09:27 AM   #100
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Instead of arguing who's best, we should all be wanting one of each. These are some badass rides!
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:01 AM   #101
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Instead of arguing who's best, we should all be wanting one of each. These are some badass rides!
As much as I enjoy being friends, and while I respect the ZL1, I would never want one. I would assume the same can be said for plenty of you guys. You might respect the GT500, appreciate what it does, but don't want one.

That doesn't make anyone bad here.
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...if you want to compare performance numbers, well, the GT500 retains it's title of the highest hp, worst performing car in the world.
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:22 AM   #102
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As much as I enjoy being friends, and while I respect the ZL1, I would never want one. I would assume the same can be said for plenty of you guys. You might respect the GT500, appreciate what it does, but don't want one.

That doesn't make anyone bad here.
Exactly. I just can't get past the idea of spending $60,000 for a Ford. To be fair I wouldn't drop $60,000 on a current Buick, Toyota, Honda, Chrysler, Kia or Hyundai either. There's just so much more that I expect from a $60,000 car. Ford's fantastic engine just isn't enough to justify the price of the whole package (for me personally).
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:54 AM   #103
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Very entertaining review................
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:06 AM   #104
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correct me if I'm wrong, because I read it not experienced it, you can replace the drive pully on the ZL1 to increase the boost to match the Vette and get 650HP for under $300 installed. Would this not make this a better comparision, since Ford doesn't have a Vette class car to compete with it can just produce numbers where as Chevy doesn't want the ZL1 to match the numbers of the Vette. But that extra 70HP would make the 1/4 mile race a little closer and give a larger lead on the road courses, and still be $5000 less than the Mustang.
Maybe. The zl1 was intentionally detuned to give it less Vette competition.

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Old 07-08-2012, 11:12 AM   #105
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Actually, adding power is not always cheaper than buying better suspension parts. Putting in a shorter pulley requires a quality revised custom tune, which is where the cost will be, because chevy won't be doing it or writing it.

If the ZL1's engine can handle the added power from a pulley swap and tune, then great, that is a particular cost.

If the GT500 is improved by a watts link, X brace and a brake duct kit, so be it. Money is Money, and suspension improvements beyond stock when you're dealing with Ford are always needed. Unlike Chevy, Ford has not put in every problem solver into the GT500 suspension set up, this was well known here in the Detroit design community well before the car came out.

Ford has not developed nor has the copyright use of Magnetic ride control, nor have they put in the time and money into as sophisticated of a traction and ride control system as Chevy. Knowing this, they chose not to push the current chassis to it's ultimate potential before it is retired. The ZL1 hit it out of the park with it's suspension advancements and design.

Chevy could have used forged internals, larger heat exchanger with shorter pulley and produced 630-640 HP. They chose not to, as Ford chose not to put in a correctly and sturdily designed watts link and an X brace(as with the Boss option) to further stabilize cornering and the effects of the fixed axel.

Bottom line is, did each car go to the Zenith of possibilities available to each company? No with the Ford suspension and Chassis bracing, and no with the ZL1's engine potential. Erik
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Chevy could have used forged internals, larger heat exchanger with shorter pulley and produced 630-640 HP. They chose not to, as Ford chose not to put in a correctly and sturdily designed watts link and an X brace(as with the Boss option) to further stabilize cornering and the effects of the fixed axel.

For the price of what you are paying for these cars can you blame them?
Buy a car with performance like this anywhere else in the world and you are talking $80k-150k or more.

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Old 07-08-2012, 11:17 AM   #106
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Exactly. I just can't get past the idea of spending $60,000 for a Ford. To be fair I wouldn't drop $60,000 on a current Buick, Toyota, Honda, Chrysler, Kia or Hyundai either. There's just so much more that I expect from a $60,000 car. Ford's fantastic engine just isn't enough to justify the price of the whole package (for me personally).
They are toys for us....errr uhh ...those who have $60k to just throw around and have fun with. Don't expect those living paycheck to paycheck to buy one.
These are multi purpose cars. Factory racers and daily drivers.
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:48 AM   #107
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Old 07-08-2012, 12:00 PM   #108
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Don't get me wrong, I think both are cars are awesome!

I was just adding to the debate, I prefer Chevy but I like Fords too (can u say Velociraptor!) and anyone that does't give respect to both isn't worth responding too.
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Old 07-08-2012, 12:34 PM   #109
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:06 PM   #110
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I love them both.

I really like how well rounded the ZL1 is. It does everything well. For me personally handling and day to day driveability is more important than superior brute force. I base this off of all the reviews of course as I haven't driven anything other than the new V6 Mustangs and Camaros.

That being said, I wouldn't entertain the idea of buying a GT500. It's just not my brand, honestly
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:19 PM   #111
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I really don't think that GM is interested in making the ZL1 Camaro faster then the GT500 in a line. It wins everywhere else and I think they are happy to fill that niche, while the GT500 fills its niche.

The next generation Camaro is going to be a good deal lighter then the current car, how much exactly though is any ones guess. The base ATS is 3,315 pounds which is some 450 pounds lighter then the base Camaro so that is promising.
Don't kid yourself. Just look at past history of the Camaro vs. Mustang, the Vette vs. Viper, etc.
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:25 PM   #112
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Wow! Brand loyalty to the point where you would not want the other car in addition? I'd take both if I could!!!
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