May 2012 Camaro Sales and Production Figures (and vs. Mustang & Challenger)

[xman]

I personally don't mind any car outselling the Camaro. Makes mine even that much more special when I drive by.

[JoeFire]

Originally Posted by Scalded Dog

I do not mind see oceans of Mustangs out there... there are so many of them, that they all just blend into the traffic. Camaros still retain a little exclusivity, because the freeway is not carpeted with them. They are still not common enough to simply blend in... Camaros still turn heads!

Exactly! I'd rather have one of a few hundred than one of a few hundred thousand. Notice how Dodge does it though. Low production, low sales, high price. As a customer reward though, at least their cars are heavier and in many cases slower, so thanks Dodge!

[cheyboyjr]

Originally Posted by edco

Mustang sales are a five year phase ahead of Camaro in gen5 rebirth of the muscle car buying. When Camaro began deliveries (Apr 09) S197 mustangs were bought out. That is the field of buyers who wanted one had one. The 09, 10, 11, mustangs were face lifted but not enough to to pull anyone out of a paid up S197. S197 did 160,000 units per year in 05-06. That is a lot of buying in a very complex car market. That forced GM & Dodge back to muscle car production. I have an 07 GT carefully modified to keep me interested, I still can't bear to give it up!

Does a buying cycle apply to Camaro? In year 4, 5, and 6, does the field of Camaro buyers saturate? The 13 Mustang is different enough from the 05 type to generate buying. This is my explanation (can be wrong depending on future sales) of the May 12 results. The 05 S197 boosted total mustang births to over 10 million. Perspective: Mustang sold 1.1 million units in 2 years. Corvette sold 1 million units in 40 years. This website for sales analysis assumes the world was born in June of 2009. May 2009, fifth full year production of S197s, 8812 mustangs were sold. Next May (13) will Camaro sell 8812 units? We will see.

I agree that the sales graphs and charts posted here leave a lot to be desired by starting with an origin of April 2009, but no Camaro production/sales for 7-8 years is huge caveat when compared to Mustang production/sales. I'm still a bow tie guy for life, though!

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by brAnd7onX

I dont know what you guys are talking about. I saw numerous ZL1 commercials when I watched Indy and on other channels. Granted its not to the same extent of the Mustang commercials but its still out there none the less. BTW over 9,000 in sales for the month is GOOD.

ZL1 commercials which dealers have a $5-10k mark up. Nobody is buying them. There is a '12 GT500 at a local dealer here for $56k no mark up. And you wonder why Mustangs are selling.

You can thank stealerships like Lindsay Chevrolet in VA for that.

[Enator]

Originally Posted by cheyboyjr

I agree that the sales graphs and charts posted here leave a lot to be desired by starting with an origin of April 2009, but no Camaro production/sales for 7-8 years is huge caveat when compared to Mustang production/sales. I'm still a bow tie guy for life, though!

Ok this one is for you

[jackka]

Originally Posted by edco

Mustang sales are a five year phase ahead of Camaro in gen5 rebirth of the muscle car buying. When Camaro began deliveries (Apr 09) S197 mustangs were bought out. That is the field of buyers who wanted one had one. The 09, 10, 11, mustangs were face lifted but not enough to to pull anyone out of a paid up S197. S197 did 160,000 units per year in 05-06. That is a lot of buying in a very complex car market. That forced GM & Dodge back to muscle car production. I have an 07 GT carefully modified to keep me interested, I still can't bear to give it up!

Does a buying cycle apply to Camaro? In year 4, 5, and 6, does the field of Camaro buyers saturate? The 13 Mustang is different enough from the 05 type to generate buying. This is my explanation (can be wrong depending on future sales) of the May 12 results. The 05 S197 boosted total mustang births to over 10 million. Perspective: Mustang sold 1.1 million units in 2 years. Corvette sold 1 million units in 40 years. This website for sales analysis assumes the world was born in June of 2009. May 2009, fifth full year production of S197s, 8812 mustangs were sold. Next May (13) will Camaro sell 8812 units? We will see.

I don't doubt that the Mustangs are well-selling cars and will be for a long time, but some of the things mentioned don't seem relevant to me.

Why does it matter how many Mustangs sold in 2 years vs. Corvettes in 40 years? They are not really fighting each other in the same market. Wouldn't it be baffling if the Corvettes sold like the Mustangs did considering the price difference? I mean I could see how the sales difference would mean something if Corvettes were offered ranging from $25,000 V6s to $55,000 Supercharged V8s, so how exactly does a group of people considering Mustangs buy Corvettes and vice-versa?

Also, regarding whether the Camaro will sell 8812 units in May of whatever year, the comparison is kind of ridiculous. So what does it mean if at the end of it's model life the Camaro doesn't sell as well as the Mustang did in May of 2009? Diddly squat? I mean, maybe if the Camaro was dominating a market unchallenged for years and some new rival car had supposedly started delivery in some April, then whether the Camaro sold 8812 units in that May can serve as a relevant comparison, still not considering the difference in economy or the change in market and whatnot.

Most Camaro owners don't look too much into the sales competition as Mustangs vs Camaros. They are just happy that there is a healthy competition of what seems like neck and neck sales monthly with the overall yearly figures favoring the Camaro by a bit. It wouldn't mean much if it was the other way around.

I really don't see the point of pulling marketing figures and theory in an effort to somehow put the Mustang above the Camaro in sales.

The Mustang had it's hay-day for a long time and now it's got a rival selling at least as much every year. Doesn't mean the Mustang is dead or going away. Just not the king of the segment sales, which to be frank, shouldn't matter much to the guy who loves his car anyway.

What I think is interesting is the fact that the latest generation Mustangs are superior to the Camaros, stock-performance-wise. The Camaros surely aren't selling better because they perform better from the factory. So whatever other edge the Camaro has over the Mustang must be outweighing the stock performance difference as far as the general consumer is concerned. And I think it's the design and look of the car.

[ParisTNDude]

Isn't the three year period normal trade in time for most performance car drivers? If so, I have seen plenty 5th gen Camaro guys going for 5.0s and 392 Challengers. Maybe the new has worn off. I traded my 2010 SS....but, for another Camaro.

[Android42019]

Originally Posted by crateish

I see all kinds of ads for Mustangs on TV, online, and in print. I almost Never see any kind of ads for Camaros or Challengers.

ive only seen a handful of commercials for camaros in the last year or two

[Vintage-Iron]

I havent seen any commercials for Camaro's...

[rpepka]

Build more ZL1's

[90503]

Originally Posted by Vintage-Iron

I havent seen any commercials for Camaro's...

only saw a few for the ZL1 before they were even out...and honestly, I've never seen a Mustang commercial, either...lol

I sort of think there are so many car/performance related TV shows around, that they kind of do the advertising, to the "enthusiasts" anyways...

[bobby35ny]

No incentive for us 2010 guys to trade up, I'm sure thats a big part of it.
No real changes since 2010, not even a HP bump. ZL-1 is a pretty big failure.
-Bobby

[Plexus]

I've seen like 5 articles saying how the mustang "pounded" the camaro in May, but Camaros been selling more for just about the past 2 years and no one says anything... All the car enthusiast sites are mustang fanboys...

[2010SLVRBULIT]

Obviously, the enthusiasts are a small crowd compared the general consumer. And better bargains and more incentives pull in more Ford buyers, especially in the V6/fuel economy division. Would be nice to see a breakdown in sales @ the various levels.