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10-28-2008, 12:52 PM | #44 |
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Ouch, wheres the for camaros big brother? I'm hurt.
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10-28-2008, 03:55 PM | #45 | |
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There are two distinct, sepparate people who buy Camaros and Mustangs and those who buy the competition: Those who typically buy Camaros and Mustangs are dedicated to domestics and won't even bother shopping at a Honda or Nissan dealer: this group, while still vocally strong, is shrinking by the second. The other group is the folks who were either raised on Japanese engineered cars (you really can't say import anymore when some of them contain more American parts and labor than cars made by Ford or GM) or left American cars after a really bad experience (which is my case). In order for GM to just get back to profitability, forget market share, just profitability, they must make the Camaro work financially. Which means the V6 must be appealing to people who would never consider an American car. It does that. It really does. The 6 speed transmissions, the DOHC VVT DI engine (import snobs love accronyms even though most have no clue what they do), attention to detail, and the quality of the whole package is what will draw those people in. In other words, they care less about who made it than if it's made right. |
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10-28-2008, 04:04 PM | #46 |
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10-28-2008, 04:48 PM | #47 |
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Good post fastball. I think people underestimate the amount of young people who still like american cars. Yea, a lot seem to think they all suck but there's a good amount of us that would buy American if given the chance. My first car was a 1990 Honda Accord. With barely 100k miles on it, it really started acting up (transmission, distributor, other stuff). That left a bad taste in my mouth so it really goes both ways. My dad's Yukon XL just hit 250k miles the other day.
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10-28-2008, 08:33 PM | #49 | |
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The Camaro V6 will also obliterate the Challenger V6 and current gen Mustang V6, which has already been mentioned. And the average person that buys an Accord V6, or a Maxima isn't going to be buying one for the purpose of racing people, of course not, and I don't think anyone is saying that. HOWEVER... the point is that there are other stock V6 and other cars out there that may be just as quick if not quicker than the Camaro V6, no one is saying that that's important, but just so people are aware the Camaro V6 while quick it is for its class, isn't going to necessarily be the best performing V6 sporty car out there...
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I totally agree that Honda ACCORD coupe (a totally different car from the sedan) is a serious competitor. GM has a whole new demographic who have never driven a North American sports coupe. My rear wheel drive car is a 72 GTO. I have had 3 Vettes (66 76 78 all sticks) We also have a Honda coupe stick. The interior /exterior measurements with 2010 Camaro are within fragments of an inch (mm's up HERE in the Great White North ). We also know something about driving both RWD and FWD in bad weather. The TORQUE steer is scary on the Honda with V6 stick, (worse than my STS ) and is distracting when you have another car in the losing lane. Too much power in a FWD in the snow is not as much fun as a RWD imo. There are two generations of drivers out there who have NEVER driven a RWD if they don't own a Vette. Look out! The good news is after they buy a 2010 ...decide they don't know how to drive it ........there will be lots of low miles Camaro's at the Rice Dealers. Ordered 2 LT RS Silver Ice ( Block heater ) |
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I absolutely hate how FWD cars handle. Even more so in bad weather. My camaro is way better in snow then my gf's Corolla. Both with snow tires. I would never consider owning one, ever. Too much power in FWD is terrible also. After experiencing torque steer for the first time I couldn't understand why anyone would like this. This severely limits my choices as japanese manufacturers are in love with FWD. There is a reason why best cars in the world are RWD. You don't see any BMWs that are FWD.
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The Accord is NOT a competitor for the Camaro. Granted, every car is aiming for a slice of the pie, and is technically a competitor (heck, even the Camaro and Corvette will compete against each other for sales now).
But sorry folks, the Accord is NOT a direct competitor. Nor is the Camry/Solara. Nor is the Mazda 6. Nor is the Nissan Altima or Maxima. Nor is the Civic, Corolla, or any other front wheel drive family vehicle. They are NOT direct competitors, and I they shouldn't be compared at all (except for the import fanatics that are holding onto some hope).
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Umm......... all y'all serious
The only V6 coupe that will be able to smoke or be on its ass is the G37X coupe AWD 6speed auto Hands down..........
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Yes one is RWD and one FWD but that doesn't limit them from being each other competition. You are very close minded if you really think the only competition for this V6 Camaro is the V6 mustang and challenger. Those cars make up such a small small market of V6 coupe buyers out there. |
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