Naming the Z28 and 1LE is backwards to me. - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Ragnar · 05-22-2015, 09:45 AM

Not meaning anything to insult anybody, so here is a couple of random thoughts.

I wish my car was called a Z28 instead of a 1LE. In 1969, the Z28 was built to compete against the Boss 302! My car was developed to out perform a Boss 302! The Z28 would have been out a year earlier. My car is plenty fast for me and some people are going to the track and showing what this car can do.

The history of the 1LE was really focused for the track, just like the 5th Gen Z28. It would be interesting to know how many Z28 owners DD there cars?

This is my first 1LE after owning: '69 Z/28 (17 years), '73 Z28 (1.5 years), and '81 Z28 (new and for 15 years)

Maybe I just wanted another Z28 as a DD. I wouldn't consider the '69 Z/28 as a DD. No a/c option, which is a big deal down here.

Then again, I love the look of the 1LE package with the rims, wrap, and spoilers, etc. Never mind, SS 1LE

KaBoom1701 · 05-22-2015, 10:01 AM

Welcome to GM naming convention logic.....lol

I4toV8 · 05-22-2015, 10:03 AM

I dd mine for 4 months then bought a beater... Im selling my beater now.. Miss driving the z28

Castrosua · 05-22-2015, 10:11 AM

I dont know if the Z28 is DD material. I feel you since Im trying to recreate an 83 (dont laugh at the mullet Camaro! I didnt have a mullet but had long hair then) with a 2014 but somehow I ended up with a base 2LS...

Im tring to correct this grave injustice and lack of 2 pistons, so Im trying to order a 1LE now..and still pine for the name..it was such a cool name and rolled off the tongue...I even regrew my hair once I got out of the service lol..and bought louvers too!

I do think the 1LE name is far more exclusing, not in prod. number for gen5 cars, but overall...only the 3rd gen and 5th gen had it as far as I know. Thats gotta be something for down the road?

*The_Blur* · 05-22-2015, 10:11 AM

If we're going by displacement, neither the 1LE or the Z/28 are close to a 302, but the 1LE's 376 is much closer than a 427. Traditions change.

GossipSquirrelJelena · 05-22-2015, 10:16 AM

GM is a disaster when it comes to keeping it's designations straight! Back in the 80s the Z28 was a entry level V8 car with the Iroc being the top dog. In the 60s the SS was the top end V8 trim. Now it's the entry level V8 trim.

Red2014SS · 05-22-2015, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

GM is a disaster when it comes to keeping it's designations straight! Back in the 80s the Z28 was a entry level V8 car with the Iroc being the top dog. In the 60s the SS was the top end V8 trim. Now it's the entry level V8 trim.

Yep....and don't forget, there really is no SS, its the 1SS or 2SS.. Just to make things more confusing.

faSSteddie · 05-22-2015, 12:55 PM

The 1967 Z/28 was made to race in the SCCA's Trans-American Sedan Championship. That series was originally a modified production car format. Most if not all the parts used had to have a factory part number and there was a 305 cubic inch limit to the engine. Chevrolet met this size limit by putting a 283 crank in a 327 block and ended up with a 302. They stuffed all the hot rod parts on this car that they could and turned 'em loose...The point is: that they were made to race, and not just any race, specifically the Trans-Am series.

Today's Z/28 is built in the same spirit; to race. To race in whatever class and or series that may require the car to be a production car. GM removed as much fluff as they could and kept it as bare bones while still maintaining its production car status( i.e. street legal) all while giving it all the racing goodies needed to be competitive in a variety of racing classes.

So the first Z/28 was built specifically for production car racing and the new Z/28 returns to its roots and is built for the same purpose.

faSSteddie

Evergreen6 · 05-22-2015, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

GM is a disaster when it comes to keeping it's designations straight! Back in the 80s the Z28 was a entry level V8 car with the Iroc being the top dog. In the 60s the SS was the top end V8 trim. Now it's the entry level V8 trim.

The Z28 wasn't entry level in the 80's for a V8 model. You could get V8's in regular sport coupes too.

TPAJETSKI · 05-22-2015, 01:26 PM

The Z28 designation (hyphenated or slash either way it's semantics) has far more pathetic years than epic ones. The hyperbole that follows this designation cracks me up. GM should use the name for what it is, a marketing tool. People bought Z28s in the 70s, 80s, and 90s because they looked cool (and in some years went like stink) not because they felt some deep connection to the first Z28.

Red2014SS · 05-22-2015, 01:50 PM

The 1979 Z28 350ci engine produced a whopping 175hp. Did 0-60 in 8.5 seconds and finished up the 1/4 mile in 17.5 seconds at a speed of 82mph.

Chevy sold almost 85,000 of them!

CRISSIS · 05-22-2015, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Castrosua

I dont know if the Z28 is DD material. I feel you since Im trying to recreate an 83 (dont laugh at the mullet Camaro! I didnt have a mullet but had long hair then) with a 2014 but somehow I ended up with a base 2LS...

Im tring to correct this grave injustice and lack of 2 pistons, so Im trying to order a 1LE now..and still pine for the name..it was such a cool name and rolled off the tongue...I even regrew my hair once I got out of the service lol..and bought louvers too!

I do think the 1LE name is far more exclusing, not in prod. number for gen5 cars, but overall...only the 3rd gen and 5th gen had it as far as I know. Thats gotta be something for down the road?

Ha - I also owned an'83 Z28 and your 6 cylinder is WAY faster then that old heap ever was! Still, that heap started my love for the Camaro and the Z28 designation does mean something to me.

I personally agree with the naming convention. I like the Z28 to be a race inspired vehicle that sits on the top of the totem pole. That said $75k is still a ton of money to spend on such single purpose item - as much as I'd want one, I can't see ever owning one in the next few years...

Chris1SS1LE · 05-22-2015, 07:56 PM

What is interesting to me is the only reason I knew of a 1LE in 3rd GEN and 4th Gen was because they were great Autocross cars for factory stock and show room stock class in SCCA sports car racing. But the Z28 in the 60's came before the boss.

But personally I look at the 1LE of being more of a Central Office Production Order kind of car. Because you have to order it with the right options and from a 1SS standpoint when you get Leather Recaro's with a cloth interior that screams C.O.P.O from the 60's. Because its not something a dealer would order, only dealer who order it know only Autocross and Track guys would see the value.

I would rather have a street Legal COPO style car.

To all the people born in the 90's+ a COPO is not a drag car only, They were cars that individual dealers would use to special order cars with non-standard options. At the time you couldn't get a 427 in small car aka Nova or Camaro and even a Malibu.

In 60's reality a ZL1 is Top dog because it is a COPO with aluminum 427 in a base model chassis. Then a Z28 which was the smallest engine (standard v8 307 after '67 correct? before that it was 283) Z28 was 302 which was a 327 destroked with a 283 crank I believe. Then came the SS/RS etc

A 1LE then would probably be a SS 350 with 4 speed and disc brakes

95birdible · 05-22-2015, 08:18 PM

There were about 250 or so 283ci Camaro's built in 67. Most were export overseas and few to Canada. In 68 and 69 the smallest V8 was the 302. The next step up was the 327 in 68 and 69 until January 69 came around and they replaced the 327 with the 307. What isn't known is there was the 275hp 327 in 1967 and 68 which was essentially a poor mans SS.

05-22-2015, 09:45 AM	#1
Ragnar Destroyed by flooding Drives: Wife's car Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,673	Naming the Z28 and 1LE is backwards to me. Not meaning anything to insult anybody, so here is a couple of random thoughts. I wish my car was called a Z28 instead of a 1LE. In 1969, the Z28 was built to compete against the Boss 302! My car was developed to out perform a Boss 302! The Z28 would have been out a year earlier. My car is plenty fast for me and some people are going to the track and showing what this car can do. The history of the 1LE was really focused for the track, just like the 5th Gen Z28. It would be interesting to know how many Z28 owners DD there cars? This is my first 1LE after owning: '69 Z/28 (17 years), '73 Z28 (1.5 years), and '81 Z28 (new and for 15 years) Maybe I just wanted another Z28 as a DD. I wouldn't consider the '69 Z/28 as a DD. No a/c option, which is a big deal down here. Then again, I love the look of the 1LE package with the rims, wrap, and spoilers, etc. Never mind, SS 1LE __________________

05-22-2015, 10:01 AM	#2
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,630	Welcome to GM naming convention logic.....lol __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

05-22-2015, 10:03 AM	#3
I4toV8 Dazed & Drives: matte blue 2014 z28(186) 2015 R1 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: The Jungle Posts: 708	I dd mine for 4 months then bought a beater... Im selling my beater now.. Miss driving the z28 __________________

05-22-2015, 10:11 AM	#4
Castrosua Drives: 2014 Camaro 2LS Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: New York Posts: 167	I dont know if the Z28 is DD material. I feel you since Im trying to recreate an 83 (dont laugh at the mullet Camaro! I didnt have a mullet but had long hair then) with a 2014 but somehow I ended up with a base 2LS... Im tring to correct this grave injustice and lack of 2 pistons, so Im trying to order a 1LE now..and still pine for the name..it was such a cool name and rolled off the tongue...I even regrew my hair once I got out of the service lol..and bought louvers too! I do think the 1LE name is far more exclusing, not in prod. number for gen5 cars, but overall...only the 3rd gen and 5th gen had it as far as I know. Thats gotta be something for down the road? __________________ 2014 Chevy Camaro 2LS 2004 Crown Vic Sport (my first new car) 1973 Lincoln Continental Town Car "Black Jack" 1972 Lincoln Continental fully original down to paint

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The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2018 Harley-Davidson Street Bob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 14,769	If we're going by displacement, neither the 1LE or the Z/28 are close to a 302, but the 1LE's 376 is much closer than a 427. Traditions change. __________________ RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet// Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban

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GossipSquirrelJelena Account Suspended Drives: 2015 Mustang GT. Supercharged. Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: South Jersey Posts: 971	GM is a disaster when it comes to keeping it's designations straight! Back in the 80s the Z28 was a entry level V8 car with the Iroc being the top dog. In the 60s the SS was the top end V8 trim. Now it's the entry level V8 trim.

05-22-2015, 12:55 PM	#8
faSSteddie Drives: 2013 Victory red/white stripes SS Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 212	The 1967 Z/28 was made to race in the SCCA's Trans-American Sedan Championship. That series was originally a modified production car format. Most if not all the parts used had to have a factory part number and there was a 305 cubic inch limit to the engine. Chevrolet met this size limit by putting a 283 crank in a 327 block and ended up with a 302. They stuffed all the hot rod parts on this car that they could and turned 'em loose...The point is: that they were made to race, and not just any race, specifically the Trans-Am series. Today's Z/28 is built in the same spirit; to race. To race in whatever class and or series that may require the car to be a production car. GM removed as much fluff as they could and kept it as bare bones while still maintaining its production car status( i.e. street legal) all while giving it all the racing goodies needed to be competitive in a variety of racing classes. So the first Z/28 was built specifically for production car racing and the new Z/28 returns to its roots and is built for the same purpose. faSSteddie

05-22-2015, 01:26 PM	#10
TPAJETSKI Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 710	The Z28 designation (hyphenated or slash either way it's semantics) has far more pathetic years than epic ones. The hyperbole that follows this designation cracks me up. GM should use the name for what it is, a marketing tool. People bought Z28s in the 70s, 80s, and 90s because they looked cool (and in some years went like stink) not because they felt some deep connection to the first Z28.

05-22-2015, 01:50 PM	#11
Red2014SS Drives: 2014 2SS/RS Camaro Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,421	The 1979 Z28 350ci engine produced a whopping 175hp. Did 0-60 in 8.5 seconds and finished up the 1/4 mile in 17.5 seconds at a speed of 82mph. Chevy sold almost 85,000 of them! __________________ 2014 2SS/RS, L99, SW LTH w/HF Cats, GMPP Ex. Z/28 CAI, FR41s in PVD Black Chrome, Recaros, Pfadt Sway 377hp, 383tq 12.739@110.44 MPH

05-22-2015, 07:56 PM	#13
Chris1SS1LE Drives: 2014 Camaro Red Hot 1LE NPP Recaro Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Indiana Posts: 639	What is interesting to me is the only reason I knew of a 1LE in 3rd GEN and 4th Gen was because they were great Autocross cars for factory stock and show room stock class in SCCA sports car racing. But the Z28 in the 60's came before the boss. But personally I look at the 1LE of being more of a Central Office Production Order kind of car. Because you have to order it with the right options and from a 1SS standpoint when you get Leather Recaro's with a cloth interior that screams C.O.P.O from the 60's. Because its not something a dealer would order, only dealer who order it know only Autocross and Track guys would see the value. I would rather have a street Legal COPO style car. To all the people born in the 90's+ a COPO is not a drag car only, They were cars that individual dealers would use to special order cars with non-standard options. At the time you couldn't get a 427 in small car aka Nova or Camaro and even a Malibu. In 60's reality a ZL1 is Top dog because it is a COPO with aluminum 427 in a base model chassis. Then a Z28 which was the smallest engine (standard v8 307 after '67 correct? before that it was 283) Z28 was 302 which was a 327 destroked with a 283 crank I believe. Then came the SS/RS etc A 1LE then would probably be a SS 350 with 4 speed and disc brakes

05-22-2015, 08:18 PM	#14
95birdible Drives: 2012 1SS Camaro Convertible Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Blaine, MN Posts: 1,674	There were about 250 or so 283ci Camaro's built in 67. Most were export overseas and few to Canada. In 68 and 69 the smallest V8 was the 302. The next step up was the 327 in 68 and 69 until January 69 came around and they replaced the 327 with the 307. What isn't known is there was the 275hp 327 in 1967 and 68 which was essentially a poor mans SS. __________________ 2012 1SS Crystal Red Convertible "Cherry Bomb" Winner of the #NameThatCamaro Spring Special Edition "Green Flash"