[oldman]

I was impressed that that it was faster than the GT Ford. That said GM says they have hit the limit of front engine rear drive... So the C7 ZR1 is top dog now... but the clock is ticking.

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by oldman

I was impressed that that it was faster than the GT Ford. That said GM says they have hit the limit of front engine rear drive... So the C7 ZR1 is top dog now... but the clock is ticking.

Well doesn’t it have 100hp on the GT?

It will be interesting to see how the base motor C8 does compared to the GT40.
I don’t thing the 495hp version will be challenging the ZR1.
But once the Z06 comes out that comparison will also be most interesting.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by c4racer

Well doesn’t it have 100hp on the GT?

It will be interesting to see how the base motor C8 does compared to the GT40.
I don’t thing the 495hp version will be challenging the ZR1.
But once the Z06 comes out that comparison will also be most interesting.

The current Ford GT has 647 HP (TT V6). So the C8 is down 150 HP compared to the GT. Also of note, there is no manual in the Ford GT either.

The GT40 is not the current car Ford has in production, it's simply the Ford GT.

Here is an interesting comparison between the 2005 Ford GT and the 2017 Ford GT.

GT40 was the name of the car Ford ran against Ferrari in the 60s....and WON. Movie coming out soon. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1950186/

So long story short, the post is correct. The C8 is faster to 60 than the mid engine Ford GT. The numbers I've seen would indicate that the GT is faster in 1/4 mile, however.

[c4racer]

oh wow - didn't realize that's what they were putting in those cars now. Makes sense. I think I saw one of those car builder shows where they dropped a similar V6TT motor into a Pantera build. Maybe I'm making that up. Anyway - variant of that motor is in the new Raptor too. Good stuff. I still like a V8 tho personally.

Base C8 will have a hard time keeping up with that car IMO! And that makes the C7 ZR1 performance even that much more incredible! I think the move is wait until 2021 when the C8 Z06 comes out and the values on C7 ZR1s will take a hit - good time to buy one.

[oldman]

I don't even know why we are talking about a C8 Vette against cars that cost 2x (Zr1) or 8x as much GT.... The point is the front engine rear-drive platform along with the shift it yourself has reached its PERFORMANCE LIMIT. Not that a base C8 is faster than xyz car at double to 8x the price... probably not.

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by oldman

I don't even know why we are talking about a C8 Vette against cars that cost 2x (Zr1) or 8x as much GT.... The point is the front engine rear-drive platform along with the shift it yourself has reached its PERFORMANCE LIMIT. Not that a base C8 is faster than xyz car at double to 8x the price... probably not.

I think it's very valid to compare to a 2X MSRP car because these cars drop 50% in value in 2-3 years, or for sure in 4 years making that a valid comparison - new C8 vs. 2-5 year old Z06/Z51 is in the same price range as a buyer.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by c4racer

I think it's very valid to compare to a 2X MSRP car because these cars drop 50% in value in 2-3 years, or for sure in 4 years making that a valid comparison - new C8 vs. 2-5 year old Z06/Z51 is in the same price range as a buyer.

Right now you would be paying double at auction for a Ford GT. Owners had to sign a two year no sale clause at purchase.

As for the Acura, R8, the more "modest" priced mid engine cars you are probably in the ball park.

Just checked 2015 R8s going in the 85 to 100k range

2017 Acura NSXs going for $125,000.

So not half but less than new for sure.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by oldman

I don't even know why we are talking about a C8 Vette against cars that cost 2x (Zr1) or 8x as much GT.... The point is the front engine rear-drive platform along with the shift it yourself has reached its PERFORMANCE LIMIT. Not that a base C8 is faster than xyz car at double to 8x the price... probably not.

Because that is now the competition for the C8, regardless of cost.

If you limit GM to competing (and comparing) against $60,000 mid engine cars there is nothing to talk about.

[ddivinia]

I wish the C8 was offered with a manual trans. That is exactly why I went into the poor house and ordered a 2019 ZR1 M7. Now I am thinking I need a ZL1 vert with a manual. I just like rowing the gears...

I believe base model C8s are going to put a hurting on ZL1 sales.

Will be interesting to see the C8 in a vert.

D.

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Right now you would be paying double at auction for a Ford GT. Owners had to sign a two year no sale clause at purchase.

As for the Acura, R8, the more "modest" priced mid engine cars you are probably in the ball park.

Just checked 2015 R8s going in the 85 to 100k range

2017 Acura NSXs going for $125,000.

So not half but less than new for sure.

I wasn't talking about the GT - I was talking about a ZR1

[Wyzz Kydd]

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Originally Posted by ddivinia

I wish the C8 was offered with a manual trans. That is exactly why I went into the poor house and ordered a 2019 ZR1 M7. Now I am thinking I need a ZL1 vert with a manual. I just like rowing the gears...

I believe base model C8s are going to put a hurting on ZL1 sales.

Will be interesting to see the C8 in a vert.

D.

If that turns out to be true I plan on cutting a good deal on a ZL1 1LE.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

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If that turns out to be true I plan on cutting a good deal on a ZL1 1LE.

You must be reading my mind... I don't mind buying somebodys low millage cast-off, I'm not proud.

[Dixie ZL1]

Originally Posted by c4racer

Based on this nice list of road course times I think mostly done by randy P one might argue the C7 ZR1 might even be faster than a base C8. Probably not the z06 version.
And I bet the price point for a few year old zr1 will be similar.
It’s not mid engine but it’s still a ZR1 and can’t argue with that motor.
Available with manual trans too !

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/

Lack of a manual C8 will definitely ensure C7 ZR1 resale stays high, and it’s an awesome car.

I still don’t believe GM will let that happen though.

Someone asked about the business proposition for model specific trans.... GM did it with the ZR1 M7, so I don’t see why they wouldn’t do it again.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by c4racer

I wasn't talking about the GT - I was talking about a ZR1

I thought you were referring to the price of a C8 ZR1 coming down. My point was the other "reasonably priced" mid engine competitors have not come down as much as you are hoping in order to be able to afford the ZR1.

If you meant C7 ZR1, then maybe. C6 ZR1s can be had for $60,000 plus or minus depending on model year. 2012 with 50,000 miles on Autotrader for $56,000