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WICKEDSS · 05-05-2010, 02:00 PM

Whats up guys....Got a question a buddy of mine is going to purchase some program so he can tune the vehicle he works on....He has a friend that has LS1 Edit and says they are the same..... So my question is how difficult is it to tune i know everone starts at the bottom This guy is ASE Certified and is a close friend of mine, I do trust him to install the cam and springs...I just done want the tuning to be diffrent and it go KABOOM

Michael_Js · 05-05-2010, 02:06 PM

I hope so (that tuning is for anyone)...I have a Trinity that I have yet to use!

Friday I hope...

danhr · 05-05-2010, 02:17 PM

they are not the same. Tuning these cars is different then tuning any other lsx car. With these cars, you solely rely on the MAF... as opposed to other lsx cars which is part speed density/part maf, or stictly speed density. There are also no VE tables for these cars.

The fact he is ASE certified shouldn't mean anything.

Honestly, it sounds like he doesn't know what he's about to get into. therefore I wouldn't trust him... just politely say no.

WICKEDSS · 05-05-2010, 02:19 PM

I just want to make sure its somthing that anyone can do if they have the information in hand..... He is installing the cam and spring next weekend and hasnt tuned a LS3 yet But HIS friend uses LS1 EDIT and says most of it is the same..... So this question is for somone that does tuning .... I dont know the first thing about it so thats why im asking

jbsrace1 · 05-05-2010, 02:30 PM

There are allot of differences from a LS1 to the LS3. Just because a friend of a friend has some software don't mean they know what they are doing. Also ASE don't mean anything except he can read a book and pick the correct multiple choice answers. I was a ASE Master Tech at the age of 18 and back then I thought I knew it all. LOL 30 years latter I realized just how ignorant I was back then. I would find someone who has some more tuning experience before letting a friend borrow some software from a friend to tune your car.

danhr · 05-05-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WICKEDSS

I just want to make sure its somthing that anyone can do if they have the information in hand..... He is installing the cam and spring next weekend and hasnt tuned a LS3 yet But HIS friend uses LS1 EDIT and says most of it is the same..... So this question is for somone that does tuning .... I dont know the first thing about it so thats why im asking

words of wisdom: go get a freakin dyno tune.

seriously.... if you like your motor in one piece and not smoking like a diesel.

GaryTucker · 05-05-2010, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbsrace1

There are allot of differences from a LS1 to the LS3. Just because a friend of a friend has some software don't mean they know what they are doing. Also ASE don't mean anything except he can read a book and pick the correct multiple choice answers. I was a ASE Master Tech at the age of 18 and back then I thought I knew it all. LOL 30 years latter I realized just how ignorant I was back then. I would find someone who has some more tuning experience before letting a friend borrow some software from a friend to tune your car.

I've been there too. I agree...don't let this guy "tune" your car. You'd be better off with a "canned" tune than this option. The ONLY way to tune for full optimization of your vehicle's powertrain (which it sounds like you are wanting as you're doing internals too...) is to strap it to the dyno and adjust for YOUR car's specific tolerances. This allows you to get things "where they belong" for your car.

DSteck · 05-05-2010, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danhr

they are not the same. Tuning these cars is different then tuning any other lsx car. With these cars, you solely rely on the MAF... as opposed to other lsx cars which is part speed density/part maf, or stictly speed density. There are also no VE tables for these cars.

The fact he is ASE certified shouldn't mean anything.

Honestly, it sounds like he doesn't know what he's about to get into. therefore I wouldn't trust him... just politely say no.

Actually, these do use speed density... it's just not a traditional table anymore. It's a set of 30 equations, with the form:

A*MAP^2 + B*MAP + C*MAP*RPM + D*RPM + E*RPM^2 + F

There are 30 zones, each with their own set of coefficients, for a total of 180 coefficients that map a 3D surface... which is your VE "table" if you want to call it that.

How do you tune it?... Well... you either use EFI Live's Virtual Ve, apply an enhanced OS from HP Tuners, or use EQ VE to derive the coefficients from a table.

danhr · 05-05-2010, 03:10 PM

yeah replace what i said with what he said..... I'm just an amatuer. lol

WICKEDSS · 05-05-2010, 04:40 PM

Ok so nothing is the same....So what GUY one is saying to GUY two about tuning is incorrect....Im guessing tuning on a 4TH gen is way more simple than on a 5TH..... Thanks for the feed back guys i can rest easy not knowing that is a whole new ball game when i tell him why im not going to let him......

WICKEDSS · 05-05-2010, 05:24 PM

Ok guys lets back up i was wrong he uses EFI LIVE not LS1 EDIT

ratlover · 05-05-2010, 07:44 PM

Can anyone learn to tune? Id say probably if your willing to put the time in. I can't speak for hptuners(I'm assuming its the same since they have a big fan base) but the EFI live folks are VERY helpful. Both support from the company itself and from users on their forum(and other forums) is great. Its a large community that really wants to help each other and make self tunning work. There is a TON of stuff to read online and lots of books on theory and even some seminars and such(more $) if you want to take the time to learn. That's the big thing, wanting to learn. And being patient and taking your time and taking small steps.

If your friend has the ability and willingness to learn is something that I can't answer though

Check out EFI lives website. They will let you download the program to play with. Then cruise over to hptuners board and efi lives board. Maybe get a basic book on tuning(banish iirc is an author of a deccent book), you might feel that you want to learn it

Its not some mystical black art.....it just takes some time and patients

ratlover · 05-05-2010, 07:52 PM

What's up with all this crazy talk of algorithms and such? Don't scare the guy! Just use efilive and the VE table builds itself

*just joking with Dsteck, things are definatly NOT that simple

and I'm not saying hptunners is bad. Just some friendly razzing

ron10 · 05-05-2010, 08:04 PM

ever heard the old saying "DON'T STEP OVER A DOLLAR TO PICK UP A DIME".
get it done by a pro,on a dyno.

05-05-2010, 02:00 PM	#1
WICKEDSS Dan Drives: THE BEAST Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: ODESSA,TX Posts: 336	Is Tuning for anyone? Whats up guys....Got a question a buddy of mine is going to purchase some program so he can tune the vehicle he works on....He has a friend that has LS1 Edit and says they are the same..... So my question is how difficult is it to tune i know everone starts at the bottom This guy is ASE Certified and is a close friend of mine, I do trust him to install the cam and springs...I just done want the tuning to be diffrent and it go KABOOM

05-05-2010, 02:06 PM	#2
Michael_Js SoCal C5 Family Member Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS - Black w/IOM; 6M Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego, CA, USA Posts: 5,299 View My Garage	I hope so (that tuning is for anyone)...I have a Trinity that I have yet to use! Friday I hope... __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2010 Black 2SS/RS; 6M; IOM, GFX, sunroof; ADM Race CAI; Zoomers CB; Viper Alarm; Pdaft F&R sways, Adj Endlinks, Rtrailing arms, Camber kit, strut brace, Front Trailing Arm Bushing; SLP Skip-Shift Elim; Tinted lights/windows; Hurst Short-throw; LoJack; Door & Dash ABL Mods; ********; JBA Shorty headers; AACStyle LEDs; Stillen DS rotors, Hawk Ceramic pads; Havoc Blk Chrome wheels: 20x9s; Lingenfelter Blk Al Pedals; RevXtreme Catch Can; Goodridge SS lines; Ported TB; RK Sport hood; Hotchkis chassis brace; KW V3 coilovers;

05-05-2010, 02:17 PM	#3
danhr BAMF SS Drives: 2016 Camaro 1SS A8 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ford City, PA Posts: 3,023	they are not the same. Tuning these cars is different then tuning any other lsx car. With these cars, you solely rely on the MAF... as opposed to other lsx cars which is part speed density/part maf, or stictly speed density. There are also no VE tables for these cars. The fact he is ASE certified shouldn't mean anything. Honestly, it sounds like he doesn't know what he's about to get into. therefore I wouldn't trust him... just politely say no. __________________ 2016 1SS A8: FBO + Circle D + P1X + Meth + Tuned by Pray Performance Stock Longblock 800 SAE rwhp. 9.4 @ 145 mph.

05-05-2010, 03:10 PM	#9
danhr BAMF SS Drives: 2016 Camaro 1SS A8 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Ford City, PA Posts: 3,023	yeah replace what i said with what he said..... I'm just an amatuer. lol __________________ 2016 1SS A8: FBO + Circle D + P1X + Meth + Tuned by Pray Performance Stock Longblock 800 SAE rwhp. 9.4 @ 145 mph.

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WICKEDSS Dan Drives: THE BEAST Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: ODESSA,TX Posts: 336	I just want to make sure its somthing that anyone can do if they have the information in hand..... He is installing the cam and spring next weekend and hasnt tuned a LS3 yet But HIS friend uses LS1 EDIT and says most of it is the same..... So this question is for somone that does tuning .... I dont know the first thing about it so thats why im asking

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jbsrace1 Drives: 2010 2ss Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 211	There are allot of differences from a LS1 to the LS3. Just because a friend of a friend has some software don't mean they know what they are doing. Also ASE don't mean anything except he can read a book and pick the correct multiple choice answers. I was a ASE Master Tech at the age of 18 and back then I thought I knew it all. LOL 30 years latter I realized just how ignorant I was back then. I would find someone who has some more tuning experience before letting a friend borrow some software from a friend to tune your car.

05-05-2010, 04:40 PM	#10
WICKEDSS Dan Drives: THE BEAST Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: ODESSA,TX Posts: 336	Ok so nothing is the same....So what GUY one is saying to GUY two about tuning is incorrect....Im guessing tuning on a 4TH gen is way more simple than on a 5TH..... Thanks for the feed back guys i can rest easy not knowing that is a whole new ball game when i tell him why im not going to let him......

05-05-2010, 05:24 PM	#11
WICKEDSS Dan Drives: THE BEAST Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: ODESSA,TX Posts: 336	Ok guys lets back up i was wrong he uses EFI LIVE not LS1 EDIT

05-05-2010, 07:44 PM	#12
ratlover Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange SS 6 speed Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 68	Can anyone learn to tune? Id say probably if your willing to put the time in. I can't speak for hptuners(I'm assuming its the same since they have a big fan base) but the EFI live folks are VERY helpful. Both support from the company itself and from users on their forum(and other forums) is great. Its a large community that really wants to help each other and make self tunning work. There is a TON of stuff to read online and lots of books on theory and even some seminars and such(more $) if you want to take the time to learn. That's the big thing, wanting to learn. And being patient and taking your time and taking small steps. If your friend has the ability and willingness to learn is something that I can't answer though Check out EFI lives website. They will let you download the program to play with. Then cruise over to hptuners board and efi lives board. Maybe get a basic book on tuning(banish iirc is an author of a deccent book), you might feel that you want to learn it Its not some mystical black art.....it just takes some time and patients

05-05-2010, 07:52 PM	#13
ratlover Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange SS 6 speed Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 68	What's up with all this crazy talk of algorithms and such? Don't scare the guy! Just use efilive and the VE table builds itself *just joking with Dsteck, things are definatly NOT that simple and I'm not saying hptunners is bad. Just some friendly razzing

05-05-2010, 08:04 PM	#14
ron10 Drives: 2010 2SS IOM L99 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: LOUISVILLE,KY.. Posts: 7,545	ever heard the old saying "DON'T STEP OVER A DOLLAR TO PICK UP A DIME". get it done by a pro,on a dyno.