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KaBoom1701 · 05-06-2014, 12:44 PM

Ok,

So I'm thinking of getting this put on my V6.

These system included:
Part Number: 22812942 Detail: Front Stab Bar Asm (Bar, links, bushing, clamp, nut) QTY: 1
Part Number: 22786260 Detail: Rear Stab Bar Asm (Bar, Bushing, Clamp, Bolt) QTY: 1
Part Number: 2761221 Detail: Rear Stab Bar Link QTY: 1
Part Number: 22812982 Detail: Front Strut Asm, LH (Strut, Spring, Mount) QTY: 1
Part Number: 22812983 Detail: Front Strut Asm, RH (Strut, Spring, Mount) QTY: 2
Part Number: 22981391 Detail: Rear Shock QTY: 4
Part Number: 22922445 Detail: Rear Shock Mount, LH QTY: 4
Part Number: 22922446 Detail: Rear Shock Mount, RH QTY: 4
Part Number: 22845487 Detail: Rear Toe Link QTY: 4
Part Number: 20941932 Detail: Rear Cradle Bushing, Front QTY: 4
Part Number: 20941933 Detail: Rear Cradle Bushing, Rear QTY: 4
Part Number: 23102312 Detail: Installation Instructions QTY: 4

My question is that GM has to difference part number for the V8 and V6 upgrade. Can anyone tell me the difference between the two. I have a local C5 member who wants to sell me his OEM 1LE parts but I'm not sure what additional V6 parts I'd need?

I figure I'd need a alignment once I install this. What about the ECM being changed. If you have the dealer do this do they update the ECM to allow for the changed suspension?

intensifi · 05-06-2014, 12:54 PM

If I had to guess the difference is the rear end components. I'm pretty sure the rear end on the V6 and V8 are different. If I'm correct, his parts (1LE) would be different than what you need.

BTW: You have to drop the rear end to install this kit.

Who are you going to have install the parts? If you get a GM performance shop to do it you'll retain warranty if you buy the kit from a dealer.

BMR Sales · 05-06-2014, 03:52 PM

Personally, I think you would get better bang-for-your-buck from aftermarket parts. Get set up with a set of BMR Sway Bars, Koni Shocks (currently 25% off), Trailing Arms, Toe Rods, and a few assorted bushings and you'll find out quickly that it will outperform the GM kit, at very close to the same cost. If you're wanting to try to keep your factory warranty on the suspension, that would be the only reason I can see to go with the 1LE package.

macwest · 05-06-2014, 04:06 PM

At least in 2010 models. if you have a manual v6 rear end is same as v8 automatic rear end is different.

BMR Sales · 05-07-2014, 12:02 PM

Oh, and BTW, there are no changes needed to the ECM on your car for suspension upgrades.

Apex Motorsports · 05-07-2014, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMR Sales

Personally, I think you would get better bang-for-your-buck from aftermarket parts. Get set up with a set of BMR Sway Bars, Koni Shocks (currently 25% off), Trailing Arms, Toe Rods, and a few assorted bushings and you'll find out quickly that it will outperform the GM kit, at very close to the same cost.

This. A customer of ours just won his CamaroCross class by more than 1/2 a second at Camaro5Fest on a RideTech/BMR package we spec'd out for him.

KaBoom1701 · 05-17-2014, 07:43 PM

Anybody here have a dealer install this 1LE kit on their car?

I'm inherently suspicious on them doing it right.

Anaconda · 05-17-2014, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaBoom1701

Anybody here have a dealer install this 1LE kit on their car?

I'm inherently suspicious on them doing it right.

I'm also suspicious of having a dealer install as well. However, I suppose for warranty to hold and not be voided, the track pack would have to be installed by a dealer. I'm really looking at the 1LE track pack simply because it's a pretty good handling kit for a really good price with warranty to back it. hmm

McRat · 05-17-2014, 07:58 PM

For dealerships, there are written step-by-step procedures for installing GMPP's.

They do not have any effect on your warranty unless specifically specified otherwise, like the COPO 427 drag engines.

McRat · 05-17-2014, 08:14 PM

Note that GM Performance Parts are designed by engineers and extensively tested to provide balanced performance.

It's like cams. GM might spend $500,000 developing a grind. And Competition Cams will either copy it, or guess at it, or just throw big lumps on it.

Most street car drivers will be happier overall with the GM Hot Cam than aftermarket choices.

The same care that went into developing the V6 1LE kit is no different than what they did to develop the V8 1LE.

McRat · 05-17-2014, 08:20 PM

I learned this when building my second Small Block Chevy 350ci. First I built it per Part Of The Weak advertising. It blew up.

Second build was all GM parts (circa 1979), 2.02 factory heads, Duntov 30-30 grind, GM pushrods, rockers, crank, etc.

That second engine lasted, and ran great on both driving to work, and clicking off ET's at the strip.

Nothing has changed. GM doesn't make the wickest parts, they make a system that runs hard and reliably.

No, I don't work for GM. Yes, I buy a LOT of aftermarket parts. But given the choice, I'll run GM shit. They do their homework. Top Rung stuff.

intensifi · 05-18-2014, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaBoom1701

Anybody here have a dealer install this 1LE kit on their car?

I'm inherently suspicious on them doing it right.

Certain Chevrolet dealerships are certified as performance shops. They supposedly have "extra" training. I toured the facility of one in the east San Francisco bay. It definitely looked more like a speed shop than a dealership service bay.

nak3dsnake · 05-18-2014, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaBoom1701

Ok,

So I'm thinking of getting this put on my V6.

These system included:
Part Number: 22812942 Detail: Front Stab Bar Asm (Bar, links, bushing, clamp, nut) QTY: 1
Part Number: 22786260 Detail: Rear Stab Bar Asm (Bar, Bushing, Clamp, Bolt) QTY: 1
Part Number: 2761221 Detail: Rear Stab Bar Link QTY: 1
Part Number: 22812982 Detail: Front Strut Asm, LH (Strut, Spring, Mount) QTY: 1
Part Number: 22812983 Detail: Front Strut Asm, RH (Strut, Spring, Mount) QTY: 2
Part Number: 22981391 Detail: Rear Shock QTY: 4
Part Number: 22922445 Detail: Rear Shock Mount, LH QTY: 4
Part Number: 22922446 Detail: Rear Shock Mount, RH QTY: 4
Part Number: 22845487 Detail: Rear Toe Link QTY: 4
Part Number: 20941932 Detail: Rear Cradle Bushing, Front QTY: 4
Part Number: 20941933 Detail: Rear Cradle Bushing, Rear QTY: 4
Part Number: 23102312 Detail: Installation Instructions QTY: 4

My question is that GM has to difference part number for the V8 and V6 upgrade. Can anyone tell me the difference between the two. I have a local C5 member who wants to sell me his OEM 1LE parts but I'm not sure what additional V6 parts I'd need?

I figure I'd need a alignment once I install this. What about the ECM being changed. If you have the dealer do this do they update the ECM to allow for the changed suspension?

I bought the 1LE upgrade parts and installed it myself before it became the performance package. The difference is the springs. If you buy the parts individually like i did you also have to buy the springs. The V6 kit comes with the front struts with springs, mount etc. already assembled. The V8 kit only includes the bare front struts.

nak3dsnake · 05-18-2014, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McRat

I learned this when building my second Small Block Chevy 350ci. First I built it per Part Of The Weak advertising. It blew up.

Second build was all GM parts (circa 1979), 2.02 factory heads, Duntov 30-30 grind, GM pushrods, rockers, crank, etc.

That second engine lasted, and ran great on both driving to work, and clicking off ET's at the strip.

Nothing has changed. GM doesn't make the wickest parts, they make a system that runs hard and reliably.

No, I don't work for GM. Yes, I buy a LOT of aftermarket parts. But given the choice, I'll run GM shit. They do their homework. Top Rung stuff.

I'd have to agree with this as well. I have a forged steel crank from GM in my 305 Sprint Car engine that is built to racing spec and it has cranked 5-7k rpm all day for the past two years at the track.

05-06-2014, 12:54 PM	#2
intensifi Drives: '12 2LT Convertible Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Belmont, California Posts: 1,701	If I had to guess the difference is the rear end components. I'm pretty sure the rear end on the V6 and V8 are different. If I'm correct, his parts (1LE) would be different than what you need. BTW: You have to drop the rear end to install this kit. Who are you going to have install the parts? If you get a GM performance shop to do it you'll retain warranty if you buy the kit from a dealer. __________________ Mods: GM Locking Gas Cap, RS License Plate Frame, SS Brembos, ZL1 FrontEnd, 14/15 Convertible Top

05-06-2014, 04:06 PM	#4
macwest Drives: 10 Camaro 2SS/RS, 70 Cuda, 71 Cuda Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Oakley - Northern California Posts: 1,156 View My Garage	At least in 2010 models. if you have a manual v6 rear end is same as v8 automatic rear end is different. __________________ "Z28 = first time I bought a new car just to strip parts for my current ride. GM needs to re-think restricted parts. "

05-17-2014, 07:43 PM	#7
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,630	Anybody here have a dealer install this 1LE kit on their car? I'm inherently suspicious on them doing it right. __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

05-17-2014, 07:58 PM	#9
McRat Drives: 2010 ZR1 "Satan" Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Norco, CA Posts: 1,183	For dealerships, there are written step-by-step procedures for installing GMPP's. They do not have any effect on your warranty unless specifically specified otherwise, like the COPO 427 drag engines. __________________ 2002 Z06 "Blue Meanie" 11.36 ET 2003 Z06 in progress 2009 CTS-V "Spooky" 12.36 ET, bone stock at 1600 mi. Rainy day in Sacramento. Sadness. 2010 ZR1 "Satan" no times yet. 2013 Volt SCCA Solo2 #771 HS3. And a bunch of Duramaxes.

05-17-2014, 08:14 PM	#10
McRat Drives: 2010 ZR1 "Satan" Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Norco, CA Posts: 1,183	Note that GM Performance Parts are designed by engineers and extensively tested to provide balanced performance. It's like cams. GM might spend $500,000 developing a grind. And Competition Cams will either copy it, or guess at it, or just throw big lumps on it. Most street car drivers will be happier overall with the GM Hot Cam than aftermarket choices. The same care that went into developing the V6 1LE kit is no different than what they did to develop the V8 1LE. __________________ 2002 Z06 "Blue Meanie" 11.36 ET 2003 Z06 in progress 2009 CTS-V "Spooky" 12.36 ET, bone stock at 1600 mi. Rainy day in Sacramento. Sadness. 2010 ZR1 "Satan" no times yet. 2013 Volt SCCA Solo2 #771 HS3. And a bunch of Duramaxes.

05-06-2014, 03:52 PM	#3
BMR Sales Drives: Race Car Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Seffner, FL Posts: 6,226	Personally, I think you would get better bang-for-your-buck from aftermarket parts. Get set up with a set of BMR Sway Bars, Koni Shocks (currently 25% off), Trailing Arms, Toe Rods, and a few assorted bushings and you'll find out quickly that it will outperform the GM kit, at very close to the same cost. If you're wanting to try to keep your factory warranty on the suspension, that would be the only reason I can see to go with the 1LE package.

05-07-2014, 12:02 PM	#5
BMR Sales Drives: Race Car Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Seffner, FL Posts: 6,226	Oh, and BTW, there are no changes needed to the ECM on your car for suspension upgrades.

05-17-2014, 08:20 PM	#11
McRat Drives: 2010 ZR1 "Satan" Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Norco, CA Posts: 1,183	I learned this when building my second Small Block Chevy 350ci. First I built it per Part Of The Weak advertising. It blew up. Second build was all GM parts (circa 1979), 2.02 factory heads, Duntov 30-30 grind, GM pushrods, rockers, crank, etc. That second engine lasted, and ran great on both driving to work, and clicking off ET's at the strip. Nothing has changed. GM doesn't make the wickest parts, they make a system that runs hard and reliably. No, I don't work for GM. Yes, I buy a LOT of aftermarket parts. But given the choice, I'll run GM shit. They do their homework. Top Rung stuff. __________________ 2002 Z06 "Blue Meanie" 11.36 ET 2003 Z06 in progress 2009 CTS-V "Spooky" 12.36 ET, bone stock at 1600 mi. Rainy day in Sacramento. Sadness. 2010 ZR1 "Satan" no times yet. 2013 Volt SCCA Solo2 #771 HS3. And a bunch of Duramaxes.