03-30-2008, 01:08 AM | #1 |
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LA Times: Design Changes Delay Camaro's Return to the Muscle-Car Race
Saturday, March 29th, 2008
By Martin Zimmerman Los Angeles Times "Design Changes Delay Camaro's Return to the Muscle-Car Race" The new Chevy Camaro would seem to have everything going for it; a genuinely storied tradition, a built-in fan base, even a staring role in a blockbuster movie. But as they say at the local comedy club, timing is everything. And in that regard, at least, the Camaro can't seem to get its act together. General Motors Corp. expects to have the new Camaro in dealer showrooms during the first quarter of 2009. That would be three years after the Camaro concept car was unveiled as GM's entry in the current muscle-car revival and well behind such retro rivals as the Ford Mustang and Chrysler's Dodge Challenger. "I honestly don't understand what they're wating for," said Dick Guldstrand of Burbank, Calif.-based Guldstrand Motor Sports. Certainly, fans of the original Camaro are eager to get a look at the new version. The last Camaro rolled off the assembly line in 2002, and the versions seen since have all been concepts, including the yellow and black copy that starred as Bumble-bee in last summer's popcorn hit Transformers. GM knows that more than a few of its customers are toe-tapping with impatience. Designing the car around a new rear-wheel drive platform, rather than using existing automotive architecture as did Ford and Chrysler, is the main reason for the delay, GM spokeswoman Wendy Clark said. "Maybe we showed the concept a little early," she said. "I know it feels like a long time. But it will be worth the wait." Or will GM miss the "sweet spot" of the muscle-car rebirth? the trend began a few years back, when Ford fielded a redesigned Mustang that mimicked the lines of the iconic late '60's fire-breather but came with such modern amenities as fuel injection, air bags and four-wheel disc brakes. The vintage look proved to be a big hit with baby boomer's who recalled the muscle cars of the late '60's and early '70's, including the Challenger, the Pontiac GTO, the Plymouth Barracuda and the Camaro Z28. Those cars, fabled as much for their dreadful handling and braking as for their straight-line speed, are the new stars of the collectible-car circuit, with rare and well-preserved models selling for millions of dollars. The Camaro concepts seen so far have strong echoes of the 1969 model, considered by many to be the ultimate expression of the car, itself one of the gems of the muscle car era. "If you're not into it, it's hard to explain," said Los Angeles attorney Barry Freeman, 69, who owns two vintage Camaros. "It's a seduction that people of my generation have never escaped from, nor do I want to." The first muscle cars were killed off by high gasoline prices, a weakening economy, new federal regulations, and rising insurance rates. Those same factors are threatening to choke off the cars' comeback before the new Camaro even reaches dealers. "It's a tough time to be introducing cars like the Challenger and the Camaro," said Karl Brauer, editor and chief of online auto site Edmunds.com, noting that the Mustang sales already began to slide last year. "The number of muscle cars in the market is a good barometer of how well things are going in the economy, and these cars are late getting to the party." It doesn't help that the new fuel-economy standards congress passed in December will make it tougher for automakers to justify selling big-engined cars. GM points out that the new Camaro will be available in a more fuel-efficient six-cylinder version, as well as a V-8 |
03-30-2008, 01:51 AM | #2 |
Well First off, living right outside of LA, The LA Times isn't really known for its knowledge of anything, much less Muscle Cars. From what I know, There's nothing being delayed, and they have planned to release the Camaro in early 2009 for quite a while.
Secondly, I don't understand how they are still comparing the Camaro to any other "muscle cars" released by Ford or Dodge... What's a Mustang? Anyway, this article is just filler for Los Angeles Times; as long as they stir a few people they are happy. Let's just wait and see what the Detroit Times has to say.
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03-30-2008, 02:28 AM | #3 |
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The article is nuts, the fact that they are getting a brand new car out like that in 3 years I think is a feat in itself. Glad I don't live in LA to even have an option to subscribe to a paper like this.
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03-30-2008, 02:34 AM | #4 |
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well like it said the Zeta platform is a brand new thing. they want to get the platform fight before building the car because the platform makes or breaks the car. i agree that 3 years is an amazingly quick amount of time to get this kind of vehicle out.
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03-30-2008, 03:17 AM | #6 |
Possibly, or people are finally coming to their senses.
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03-30-2008, 04:44 AM | #7 |
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03-30-2008, 04:51 AM | #8 |
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Sounds like just a filler, and yes I am saving my pennies for the big dog!
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03-30-2008, 06:49 AM | #9 |
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I Think its just afiller....however there is little truth in it,
The Zeta platform has been ready and used by GM holden to manuefacture Lumina and Caprice for Asaia and ME market.its also used for the new pontiac G8. I would expected GM to launch the new Camaro just after they launched the Pontiac G8 in north america. Again it seem that the camaro will have the same engines options and powertrain on the camaro as the G8 as part of there new universal platform program. |
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What is the delay this beat writer is referring to? We have always been told to expect the car in showrooms during the first quarter 2009. Regarding the Dick Guldstrand quote - I'd like to see his program get a vehicle of this magnatude on a shared platform get it to market quicker
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03-30-2008, 10:34 AM | #11 |
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It's a puff piece, a filler.
No news here folks. Move along now please. |
03-30-2008, 11:04 AM | #12 |
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There are no design changes, at least nothing significant. Secondly, and this is minor, but they mentioned Camaro Z28 then said "fabled as much for their dreadful handling and braking as for their straight-line speed". Sounds like the person who wrote the article doesn't have a big background in muscle cars
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03-30-2008, 11:38 AM | #13 |
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Wow, this is the worst article I have ever read from the LA Times, and I have read a number of truly awful articles. First, what is the design change or delay? The article mentions nothing of either a design change nor a delay, yet the headline boldly proclaims one. Secondly, among the many factual errors in this article, the one that stands out the most is picking out the Z28 for bad handling. Sigh, I was supposed to do homework today, but I guess I'll be writing a letter to the editor instead.
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03-30-2008, 11:55 AM | #14 |
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Design change? The thing almost looks exactly like the concept. There is some truth to GM possibly introducing the concept early though. Although I was thrilled to see it, think of how much less "toe tapping" there would be if they had introduced the concept right when Transformers came out.
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