[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by oldman

those cams are super tiny compared to the Honda world. Does this engine have variable lift and duration like the Malibu?

http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/ltg/#tab-2

[oldman]

thanks, it just has cam phasers, so the Malibu with the much larger engine and true lift and duration would be the better engine to build a 500 HP engine. IMO

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by oldman

thanks, it just has cam phasers, so the Malibu with the much larger engine and true lift and duration would be the better engine to build a 500 HP engine. IMO

Just cam phasers? You sure?

[doc7000]

There is a new Malibu for 2016 with either a 1.5T or 2.0T engine under the hood, gone is the 2.5L normally aspirated engine. Both the 2016 Camaro and Malibu use the LTG engine though the Malibu is rated at 259BHP while the version in the Camaro is rated at 275BHP.

D3 is a tuner company that does work on Cadillacs who is already expanding into the Camaro...

[Kevlar382]

I just got my new 16 Malibu DD, a 2LT with the 2.0 Turbo. By no means a race car but it is a really nice motor. I think a Gen 6 Camaro with with this engine would be a really nice car for the money.

[RenegadeSS]

Originally Posted by oldman

those cams are super tiny compared to the Honda world. Does this engine have variable lift and duration like the Malibu?

Yes they are, but more stages are coming. ZZP is working on their stage 3 cams along with their 800hp turbo kit. things should get really interesting.

[RenegadeSS]

Originally Posted by oldman

thanks, it just has cam phasers, so the Malibu with the much larger engine and true lift and duration would be the better engine to build a 500 HP engine. IMO

Yeah, but you can't swap the block from the 2.5 to the 2.0 LTG. Not many guys in the ecotec community stroke or Frankenstein their cars. Not like my integra that I had. LOL

[63falcondude]

I'm curious how this will stack up with a 2004 Subaru Forester XT. My father (the owner) brought it up. His FXT has the 2.5L boxer engine (shared with the STI), a larger turbo, STI intercooler, larger hood scoop, and cobb access port. Peppy is how I would describe it.

[SpeedIsLife]

One thing I read, and I think it needs to be addressed, especially for you "turn UP DA BOOST" folks..

Doesn't the manual transmission have a maximum input torque limit of something like 375 ft lbs?

[Jason@JacFab]

Thanks for the review!

I've been patiently waiting for the 2.0T cars to show up somewhere...

As some others have mentioned, it's either 4 or 8 for me. V6 is not an option.

In the past month or two, I have driven the following:

16 Camaro 1SS a8
16 Camaro 1LT M6 v6
16 Eco Boost Mustang m6
15 Malibu LTG 2.0t a6 (closest thing with an LTG engine I could find)

I liked the SS, but I'm not going to spend 37k+ on one.

The v6, it was just ok, but I thought the m6 transmission felt like a total POS. My understanding is that the same transmission is going to be used on the 4 cyl. So in my mind, the only hope is the A8.

The Ecoboost Mustang. The transmission also sucked, but felt better than the Camaro. Overall, I was less than enthused with the Ecoboost. It did feel just ok off the line but quickly fell on its face. I've read this before, and it seems to be remedied with a tune.

Surprisingly the car I enjoyed quite a bit more than both the Camaro v6 and Ecoboost 4 Mustang was the 15 Malibu... 259hp / 295 tq, slightly down on power compared to the Camaro's LTG engine. Floored it off a stop light and it was burning the tires off. Hold it to the floor and it JUST... KEEPS... PULLING... Yeah, it's kind of a stupid looking car in comparison to the Camaro, but aside from the v8, this Malibu was the only car that actually put a smile on my face.

Dump that engine in a Camaro, you got a winner.

Personally for me, I would not pay the extra $1500 for a v6 engine in the Camaro.

All of the 6th gen pricing represents cars that are decently optioned. I would personally like to see a car with less BS gadget trinkets that I don't want for less money; Think 5th Gen 2LS pricing. I'd rather pick and choose what I want, than have all this other junk forced on me and making my wallet pay for it.

I imagine moving forward in the future, the sales numbers will be heavily skewed toward the 4 and 8 cylinder cars with a handful of v6 sales. There's people that just want the car, don't care about the engine, this is where the 4 cyl comes into play. Much like the 2LS with it's play of "gets the best MPG" and it's cheap... I'd really like to see a 1/2LS featuring the 4 cyl and even an optional 6 cyl, bust just leave half of the gimmicky BS options out to cut the price.

And to the guy that was questioning the "turn up the boost" crowd wondering if the transmissions would explode... I don't think that will be an issue.
Look at the 5th Gen Aisin MV5 max gear box torque rating of 273 ft lb. The out of the box SC or TT kit v6 guys are getting roughly 350-450ft lb tq, and in the neighborhood of 400-460hp.

The MYB 6L50 was/is rated for 480 ft lb max gearbox input, The first and so far, only trans failure to date in a forced induction 5th gen v6 that I can recall was a 6L50 and it was somewhere around 650hp and 725tq...

So the new Tremec 3150 being rated at 295, and the 8L45 is rated for 405 ft lb, I think either could probably support 400 hp/tq out of either the i4 or v6. But If I were going for an all out maximum effort, I'd probably go with the Automatic.

If I get a 4cyl Camaro... I WILL be turning up the boost

[Eric SS]

My personal opinion, and I may be wrong, is that this whole 4 cylinder debut and drive was a front to get all of the journalists together for the ZL1 debut behind closed doors.

[Jason@JacFab]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

My personal opinion, and I may be wrong, is that this whole 4 cylinder debut and drive was a front to get all of the journalists together for the ZL1 debut behind closed doors.

You're probably right... Chevrolet posted a video of a Camaro on Instagram just yesterday, on a track, and it definitely had a supercharger. Said it was coming 3/16/16

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by Jason@JacFab

Thanks for the review!

I've been patiently waiting for the 2.0T cars to show up somewhere...

As some others have mentioned, it's either 4 or 8 for me. V6 is not an option.

In the past month or two, I have driven the following:

16 Camaro 1SS a8
16 Camaro 1LT M6 v6
16 Eco Boost Mustang m6
15 Malibu LTG 2.0t a6 (closest thing with an LTG engine I could find)

I liked the SS, but I'm not going to spend 37k+ on one.

The v6, it was just ok, but I thought the m6 transmission felt like a total POS. My understanding is that the same transmission is going to be used on the 4 cyl. So in my mind, the only hope is the A8.

The Ecoboost Mustang. The transmission also sucked, but felt better than the Camaro. Overall, I was less than enthused with the Ecoboost. It did feel just ok off the line but quickly fell on its face. I've read this before, and it seems to be remedied with a tune.

Surprisingly the car I enjoyed quite a bit more than both the Camaro v6 and Ecoboost 4 Mustang was the 15 Malibu... 259hp / 295 tq, slightly down on power compared to the Camaro's LTG engine. Floored it off a stop light and it was burning the tires off. Hold it to the floor and it JUST... KEEPS... PULLING... Yeah, it's kind of a stupid looking car in comparison to the Camaro, but aside from the v8, this Malibu was the only car that actually put a smile on my face.

Dump that engine in a Camaro, you got a winner.

Personally for me, I would not pay the extra $1500 for a v6 engine in the Camaro.

All of the 6th gen pricing represents cars that are decently optioned. I would personally like to see a car with less BS gadget trinkets that I don't want for less money; Think 5th Gen 2LS pricing. I'd rather pick and choose what I want, than have all this other junk forced on me and making my wallet pay for it.

I imagine moving forward in the future, the sales numbers will be heavily skewed toward the 4 and 8 cylinder cars with a handful of v6 sales. There's people that just want the car, don't care about the engine, this is where the 4 cyl comes into play. Much like the 2LS with it's play of "gets the best MPG" and it's cheap... I'd really like to see a 1/2LS featuring the 4 cyl and even an optional 6 cyl, bust just leave half of the gimmicky BS options out to cut the price.

And to the guy that was questioning the "turn up the boost" crowd wondering if the transmissions would explode... I don't think that will be an issue.
Look at the 5th Gen Aisin MV5 max gear box torque rating of 273 ft lb. The out of the box SC or TT kit v6 guys are getting roughly 350-450ft lb tq, and in the neighborhood of 400-460hp.

The MYB 6L50 was/is rated for 480 ft lb max gearbox input, The first and so far, only trans failure to date in a forced induction 5th gen v6 that I can recall was a 6L50 and it was somewhere around 650hp and 725tq...

So the new Tremec 3150 being rated at 295, and the 8L45 is rated for 405 ft lb, I think either could probably support 400 hp/tq out of either the i4 or v6. But If I were going for an all out maximum effort, I'd probably go with the Automatic.

If I get a 4cyl Camaro... I WILL be turning up the boost

I know where 2 cars are at, LOL.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by RenegadeSS

Yeah, but you can't swap the block from the 2.5 to the 2.0 LTG. Not many guys in the ecotec community stroke or Frankenstein their cars. Not like my integra that I had. LOL

Yep, the true Frankenstein are the K20a DOHC VTEC head with VTEC on both intake / exhaust and a K24 block for an Accord, etc...

Now days it is just better to sleeve it and be done...