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Old 07-23-2010, 10:08 PM   #323
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:11 PM   #324
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:16 PM   #326
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:20 PM   #327
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Could still be under the camo
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:23 PM   #329
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I don't get you guys freakin out over this. It's a camaro w/a supercharger, which in stock trim will be slower than many cars on this forum. Buy an SS for 35k and for < 10k (turbos, super) you have a faster car.
would you rather have a supercharged SS, or a supercharged Z28? Ask yourself that.
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:25 PM   #330
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Pedders did mention something in development.
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:25 PM   #331
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:32 PM   #332
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:33 PM   #333
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I think the group wanting a lighter weight 5th Gen of any variant is a bit more numerous than we seem. However we are realists too and know that this Zeta platform isn't going to yield much weight loss save for expensive exotic materials that will price the car right out of the segment. A Zeta Camaro is better than no Camaro. GM engineers realized a long time ago that this car wans't going to be light and since weight loss is expensive, more power from a supercharged engine already on the production shelf isn't. So we will likely get a Z28 packing more advertised power than a GT500 but will probalby spot the Dearborn rival by 150lb + on the scales. I can't see the Z28 losing any weight over the SS by adding the LSA, suspension and CTS-V brakes.

A more svelt Camaro will have to be top priority for the 6th Gen.
I'm really excited that this car is coming out. I honestly believe the next 10-20 years are going to be rough on car enthusiasts, as tighter regulations will most likely lead to the eventual extinction of the V8 that we know and love today. Emissions are already getting tight in other countries (BMW eliminating their V10 for TT-V8, M3 V8 for TT-V6) and we can only fight them for so long before having to comply with the rest of the world.

So, that said...The new GT500 is a force to be reckoned with. The sum of all its parts creates a truly visceral driving experience. You know...all that stuff you constantly hear about how well M3s drive and such. I used to think it was crap until I drove an M3. Of course I thought the Shelby was better (and cheaper), but still... the steering, handling, power delivery, lack of body roll...etc...all those things are so much better on the 2011 GT500 vs. the 5.0, 2010 Shelby, Camaro SS, etc. The grip is absolutely phenomenal as well.

GM needs to really step it up to make the Z/28 better than the GT500. The Shelby is already lighter than the Camaro SS, which will only get heavier with the bigger engine, brakes, suspension bits, etc. Driving dynamics need to be top notch to best the Shelby as well.

Even with the wagon axle in the back, Ford managed a time of 2:58 on VIR with the '11 GT500 with SVT PP...and that was a full one second faster than the Audi R8 5.2 V10 FSI. True, they weren't tracked on the same day with the same driver, but sub-3 minutes is a fast time on that track config...period.

The CTS-V has great driving dynamics, but it still can't completely beat the physics of 4300 lbs. It completed VIR in approx. 3:04....one second faster than an M3. Assuming a direct LSA transplant to the Camaro, I'd expect at least 100-200 lbs to be added to the SS weight, so we're talking a 4100 lbs Camaro. Even with a power boost above 550, it's doubtful that's going to improve track times drastically since you're most likely shredding tires at 550 HP anyway. Similar weights and similar power are going to yield similar track times with the Camaro. Not sure what else you can change...the CTS-V already has a great set of tires and a world class suspension.

To the person who says the 5.0L is better than the 5.4L...sorry, wrong there. The 5.4L has a forged crank, pistons, and rods, plasma-wire-arc cylinder coating (no cylinder sleeves), etc. Also, I believe LSA pistons are cast...not forged.

The GT500 is more incredible than its horsepower rating. By making reducing weight of the engine and improving cylinder design, Ford was able to INCREASE horsepower and eliminate the gas guzzler tax on this engine. An off the shelf LSA will not beat the gas tax in a Camaro without serious weight reduction...and that just won't happen on the Zeta without exotic materials.

GM has some hurdles to clear if they want to be top dog. I hope they do it.
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So if this has the LSA engine in it, it's an all forged bottom end, right? Not just an LS3 with a blower on it? Imagine the glut of used SS's on the market next year due to trade ins. I'll be one of them! By the way, never heard an LSA, anybody have a link to a sound bite or something? Blower whine is still there I hope.
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So if this has the LSA engine in it, it's an all forged bottom end, right? Not just an LS3 with a blower on it? Imagine the glut of used SS's on the market next year due to trade ins. I'll be one of them! By the way, never heard an LSA, anybody have a link to a sound bite or something? Blower whine is still there I hope.
Its not an LS3 with a blower. Dragoneye composed a bunch of info about it here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44331. A lot of it was taken from GM Powertrain

Look for clips of the CTS-V if you want to see how it hears.
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