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jessrayo · 02-20-2016, 12:21 PM

I bought a '16 SS to be my daily driver. Got the 8A with remote start on the fob. I love my ZL1 but this thing has a lot of creature comforts, I even have a heated steering wheel. The infotainment interface with my phone is so much better. Car is a wifi hot spot and charges your phone when you set it on the back of the armrest. It is more cramped inside the cabin, but with the magride on the SS it feels a 1000 pounds lighter than the ZL1 when you start pushing the cornering and transitions.

If you want to match the Hellcat and the next GT500 you are going to have to go to the aftermarket. The advantage is you are starting with a lighter more nimble chassis. And don't forget...This is a Chevy. The aftermarket is already kicking out all kinds of stuff because people mod GM V8's more than any other brand. My car is at AGP turbo getting twins installed now so it won't be long before it should make a lot of power. Once the turbos are in and my engine output exceeds the Dodge and Ford competition, with this chassis, this new Camaro is going to be amazing. And even with the cost of turbos, I expect this new SS is going to cost about the same as what my stock ZL1 was when new. It will be much less than I paid for the C7 stingray and I expect it will be faster at any racing venue I show up at. As things come together I'll keep you guys posted.

370zyzfr1 · 02-22-2016, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cal45

Well, the CTS-V is already out with the LT4 and rated at 640 HP. The current Z06 LT4 is at 650. If the Z06 doesn't change HP ratings and stays at 650, the Camaro will have 645 - keeping the GM high HP food chain intact (Corvette, Camaro, Caddy). If the '17 Z06 gets a bump, the Camaro will come in the 650 range.

The Gen5 ZL1 can be modded to over 700 crank HP easy.....and that's just what I did with mine.

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Exactly. You can add 2k in mods to get to same hp number as the new ctsv. The new zl1 will have similar numbers. But it will be lighter. Either way, I got mine with the 20% off. Paid 43,500 out the door. I won't ever get that again. The new ones will go closer to 70. And they won't do the 20% off for a while on those. Just getting to be too expensive. I will keep mind and just mod it and save myself 30k to upgrade.

Jeb114 · 02-22-2016, 08:01 PM

Went to the Chevy dealer today, they called me asked if I wanted to trade mine in on a 16 SS with all the toys. Spring is coming and they want good low mileage cars for the lot. After dinner me and the wife drove down to look. There in front of the place he had a red SS 49,500 had almost everything. He said get in take the wife for a drive and let me know. I am going to say the Interior is better, the seats are better, Its a very nice car but it is no ZL1. I put it thru its paces. Took it back to the dealer. Its a great car but it is not the brute the ZL1 is, I jumped on it, and I missed that supercharger whine it felt dead without it. They offered me $39,900 in trade. So no 16 for me it felt like going backward. After that I test drove a 16 Z06, now that's a different story, Also $96,000.

shawn18 · 02-22-2016, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeb114

When into the Chevy dealer today, they called me asked if I wanted to trade mine in on a 16 SS with all the toys. Spring is coming and they want good low mileage cars for the lot. After dinner me and the wife drove down to look. There in front of the place he had a red SS 49,500 had almost everything. He said get in take the wife for a drive and let me know. I am going to say the Interior is better, the seats are better, Its a very nice car but it is no ZL1. I put it thru its paces. Took it back to the dealer. Its a great car but it is not the brute the ZL1 is, I jumped on it, and I missed that supercharger whine it felt dead without it. They offered me $39,900 in trade. So no 16 for me it felt like going backward. After that I test drove a 16 Z06, now that's a different story, Also $96,000.

I haven't test drove a 16 yet but I feel like I would come away with the same opinion as you. It seems to be a heck of a car but the ZL1 is just an amazing "all in one" type car. That only comes around every so often. I just can't imagine trading it for any other car at all.

HDRDTD · 02-23-2016, 01:11 AM

I just can't imagine what specs the new Z would have other than perhaps the LT4 at around 640hp, and perhaps a new generation of MRC.

I see no need at all to come out with anything with more HP just to have a bigger number than the Hellcat.

I've driven a 2016, and asked people that had a ZL1 what they thought of the new SS, and they confirm that even tho some of the performance specs on the SS are darn close to a 5th gen ZL1, it just doesn't have the same brute force feel the ZL1 has.

I'm STILL tickled to death with my 2013 ZL1 convertible. The new one would have to have some downright new amazing features to make me spend that kind of money again when I still love what I have, especially when mine is all paid for.

big dave · 02-29-2016, 07:26 PM

Basically, I think we're all a bit spoiled. If not for the hellcat, I think we would all be perfectly satisfied with the straight line performance of the ZL1. It wasn't too long ago that having a car capable of 11 second 1/4 mile times was race car territory. Though I've gotten used to the power of my zl1, there are still times I long for more.

The hc may just be overkill. I can only imagine how many of them have wrecked in the hands of owners not used to that kind of power. It really does take a skill and a bit of fear to tame such a beast.

I haven't had the opportunity to drive the hc yet, but I wouldn't mind getting in the saddle. Either way, I hope the general gives us a big dose of what we all want...big hp. In the end, no one loses.

teddywetts · 03-04-2016, 08:59 AM

Trading is not on the table for me. However if Chevy went nuts and came out with a 50th anniversary, Mid-Night Edition ZL1 with 700 HP a trade would be on the table for me.

uinbj · 03-06-2016, 09:37 AM

Well said Redline. No doubt the new Z car will be a beast, but I agree the msrp will be around $65K which I also feel is too much.

jsd · 03-06-2016, 11:36 AM

Last week, i saw the first time in person the 6th gen ss. I was really surprised, how the car looks. For sure the car have a few nice upgrades, but for me personally the car looks to small. The interior is nice, but wtf gm think about the room behind the driver. There never will somebody have enough room to sit inside. Crazy.

I love my 5th gen zl1 how it looks and how it works. Its a real musclecar. 6th gen looks like a japanese car.

Then i prefer an cts or the corvette.

Bosse'sBoss · 03-06-2016, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jsd

Last week, i saw the first time in person the 6th gen ss. I was really surprised, how the car looks. For sure the car have a few nice upgrades, but for me personally the car looks to small. The interior is nice, but wtf gm think about the room behind the driver. There never will somebody have enough room to sit inside. Crazy.

I love my 5th gen zl1 how it looks and how it works. Its a real musclecar. 6th gen looks like a japanese car.

Then i prefer an cts or the corvette.

Completely agree with your comments

djnice · 03-10-2016, 01:42 AM

When they make the next gen not look like a Malibu.

ZMEnow · 03-10-2016, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by uinbj

Well said Redline. No doubt the new Z car will be a beast, but I agree the msrp will be around $65K which I also feel is too much.

A 20% discount like they did on both 14's and 15's. Not getting screwed again..

yinbju · 03-12-2016, 07:24 AM

Well said Redline. No doubt the new Z car will be a beast, but I agree the msrp will be around $65K which I also feel is too much.

HDRDTD · 03-12-2016, 08:25 AM

$65k is a distinct possibility. Add another $7k premium for a convertible and you're at $72k.

02-20-2016, 12:21 PM	#29
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	I bought a '16 SS to be my daily driver. Got the 8A with remote start on the fob. I love my ZL1 but this thing has a lot of creature comforts, I even have a heated steering wheel. The infotainment interface with my phone is so much better. Car is a wifi hot spot and charges your phone when you set it on the back of the armrest. It is more cramped inside the cabin, but with the magride on the SS it feels a 1000 pounds lighter than the ZL1 when you start pushing the cornering and transitions. If you want to match the Hellcat and the next GT500 you are going to have to go to the aftermarket. The advantage is you are starting with a lighter more nimble chassis. And don't forget...This is a Chevy. The aftermarket is already kicking out all kinds of stuff because people mod GM V8's more than any other brand. My car is at AGP turbo getting twins installed now so it won't be long before it should make a lot of power. Once the turbos are in and my engine output exceeds the Dodge and Ford competition, with this chassis, this new Camaro is going to be amazing. And even with the cost of turbos, I expect this new SS is going to cost about the same as what my stock ZL1 was when new. It will be much less than I paid for the C7 stingray and I expect it will be faster at any racing venue I show up at. As things come together I'll keep you guys posted. __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date.

02-22-2016, 08:01 PM	#31
Jeb114 Drives: 2021 300 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: New Jersey Posts: 968	Went to the Chevy dealer today, they called me asked if I wanted to trade mine in on a 16 SS with all the toys. Spring is coming and they want good low mileage cars for the lot. After dinner me and the wife drove down to look. There in front of the place he had a red SS 49,500 had almost everything. He said get in take the wife for a drive and let me know. I am going to say the Interior is better, the seats are better, Its a very nice car but it is no ZL1. I put it thru its paces. Took it back to the dealer. Its a great car but it is not the brute the ZL1 is, I jumped on it, and I missed that supercharger whine it felt dead without it. They offered me $39,900 in trade. So no 16 for me it felt like going backward. After that I test drove a 16 Z06, now that's a different story, Also $96,000. Last edited by Jeb114; 02-23-2016 at 08:01 AM.

02-29-2016, 07:26 PM	#34
big dave Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,052	Basically, I think we're all a bit spoiled. If not for the hellcat, I think we would all be perfectly satisfied with the straight line performance of the ZL1. It wasn't too long ago that having a car capable of 11 second 1/4 mile times was race car territory. Though I've gotten used to the power of my zl1, there are still times I long for more. The hc may just be overkill. I can only imagine how many of them have wrecked in the hands of owners not used to that kind of power. It really does take a skill and a bit of fear to tame such a beast. I haven't had the opportunity to drive the hc yet, but I wouldn't mind getting in the saddle. Either way, I hope the general gives us a big dose of what we all want...big hp. In the end, no one loses. __________________ '17 ZL1 10.99@129 stock. 4225# raceweight. Best 60'- 1.66 on factory tires. 10.48@132 E50, intake and tune. 4270 lbs https://youtu.be/EyHtdH9XOkY https://youtu.be/Lcu41obbTf8 '13 ZL1 BRM A6. 11.591 @ 119.2 factory stock with a 1.68 60'! Best stock mph 121.8. 11.29 @ 123 RotoFab, drag radials and skinnies. 4360# raceweight. http://youtu.be/yggIA3C_kkA 2014... back to stock http://youtu.be/spQLaTWbThs 2013... stock & RotoFab

03-06-2016, 11:36 AM	#37
jsd Drives: 2012 ZL 1 #370 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Switzerland Posts: 351	For me not reason to change Last week, i saw the first time in person the 6th gen ss. I was really surprised, how the car looks. For sure the car have a few nice upgrades, but for me personally the car looks to small. The interior is nice, but wtf gm think about the room behind the driver. There never will somebody have enough room to sit inside. Crazy. I love my 5th gen zl1 how it looks and how it works. Its a real musclecar. 6th gen looks like a japanese car. Then i prefer an cts or the corvette.

03-10-2016, 01:42 AM	#39
djnice Drives: 13 ZL1 SIM, 99 Z28 Black Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 708	When they make the next gen not look like a Malibu. __________________ 2018 C7 Z06 - WGG, M7. / 2013 ZL1 - SIM, 6 spd, RotoFab CAI, Can. / 1999 Z28 - Black, 6 spd, K&N, Subframe. / More Fun Stuff - www.inlandspeed.com

02-23-2016, 01:11 AM	#33
HDRDTD Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 Vert M6 ECF Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Trenton, Michigan Posts: 7,047	I just can't imagine what specs the new Z would have other than perhaps the LT4 at around 640hp, and perhaps a new generation of MRC. I see no need at all to come out with anything with more HP just to have a bigger number than the Hellcat. I've driven a 2016, and asked people that had a ZL1 what they thought of the new SS, and they confirm that even tho some of the performance specs on the SS are darn close to a 5th gen ZL1, it just doesn't have the same brute force feel the ZL1 has. I'm STILL tickled to death with my 2013 ZL1 convertible. The new one would have to have some downright new amazing features to make me spend that kind of money again when I still love what I have, especially when mine is all paid for.

03-04-2016, 08:59 AM	#35
teddywetts Drives: 2012 ZL1 Camaro, 2015 Silverado 6.2 Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Nebraska Posts: 105 View My Garage	Trading is not on the table for me. However if Chevy went nuts and came out with a 50th anniversary, Mid-Night Edition ZL1 with 700 HP a trade would be on the table for me.

03-06-2016, 09:37 AM	#36
uinbj Drives: yes Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: uk Posts: 4	Well said Redline. No doubt the new Z car will be a beast, but I agree the msrp will be around $65K which I also feel is too much.

03-12-2016, 07:24 AM	#41
yinbju Drives: ford Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: uk Posts: 3	Well said Redline. No doubt the new Z car will be a beast, but I agree the msrp will be around $65K which I also feel is too much.

03-12-2016, 08:25 AM	#42
HDRDTD Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 Vert M6 ECF Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Trenton, Michigan Posts: 7,047	$65k is a distinct possibility. Add another $7k premium for a convertible and you're at $72k.