EDR - has anyone disabled it

[Grote]

Wondering if anyone has disabled the EDR on their auto - are there any electronic side effects?

[Eric Baker]

The Event Data Recorder? First off, why?

As far as I know, it's built in to the Airbag ECU, so unless you plan on doing a full on race build and removing the airbag system, there's no way of removing/disabling it.

[Shift_Rejected]

Selling Blow? My guess..

Originally Posted by Eric Baker

The Event Data Recorder? First off, why?

As far as I know, it's built in to the Airbag ECU, so unless you plan on doing a full on race build and removing the airbag system, there's no way of removing/disabling it.

[Grote]

Wondering why, probably because I do not fully understand the entire functionality of it and truthfully was not aware of it's widespread use.

From what little I have read - only 13 states even have any rules addressing who may access the information it captures.

Not sure where to go to learn more about the specifics of it.

Initially to me it appears to be invasive in some respects if it truly logs your speed and braking - etc.

[He11bent]

It records the last few seconds and continuously over writes the data. It's for accident investigations. I have also read your insurer may decline to cover damages if it is removed. I am not sure how true that statement is but it sounds like something an insurance company would do.

[NH 2012 SS/RS]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...s-edr/1566098/




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[ChrisBlair]

It very much is big brother and I very much disagree with it. Advocates say "well if you aren't doing anything wrong...". So, so true. So they won't mind if I install a camera in their bedrooms so I can make sure they are not cooking meth at night. Then they'd day "well that's not what the EDR does". No it currently does not but that's not the point. I'm being monitored, no matter how you slice it. It absolutely is invasive, albeit in a benign way, in it's current form. But no tyrant is truly benevolent.

[christianchevell]

Aliens use it to track you rather than the more invasive probe or tracking device disguised as a small piece of metal surgically implanted under the skin being fed by muscles electrical energy so they can monitor the progression of their experiments on you. Now they are going to have to K _ _ _ Y_ _ oh god help they are reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!$&^%@*&*$#!^(&*()!&)&*#)*!(#*)*(# thud

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

It very much is big brother and I very much disagree with it. Advocates say "well if you aren't doing anything wrong...". So, so true. So they won't mind if I install a camera in their bedrooms so I can make sure they are not cooking meth at night. Then they'd day "well that's not what the EDR does". No it currently does not but that's not the point. I'm being monitored, no matter how you slice it. It absolutely is invasive, albeit in a benign way, in it's current form. But no tyrant is truly benevolent.

There is a big line constitutionally on what can be observed while you are in your home an what can be observed when you are in public. A long way from knowing what happened in an accident on public roads with other citizens potentially involved or injured.

EDR is absolutely no different, IMO, than a 7-11 having a camera behind the counter. You are only being "monitored" if your EDR is accessed and that is no more likely than if the police want to review the video at the 7-11.

All 2013 cars have to have this functionality. It is likely that disconnecting it will have adverse effects on your vehicle and it will also likely disable your warranty.

My only concern with this is personal not legal. Have you seen the device that Progressive advertises? It records your driving habits for 30 days and determines how you are driving (speed, braking, etc.) and offers you a discount under certain conditions.

I get offers from my insurance company that state "you have a vehicle that can record and transmit driving data....." and we will offer you a 10% discount if you allow access. OnStar can do this also by the way, anything on the bus can be sent to OnStar for diagnostic purposes. For example if you get a CEL, you can simply call OnStar and they can tell you what it is.

So I'm less concerned that it has recorded what I've done as it relates to an accident, but more concerned that your insurance company will ultimately cancel your policy unless you allow access. If you ever speed it would be recorded and effect your rates.

Keep in mind, GM has been using these in all of there cars for nearly 20 years now. They pretty much led the way on this. And yes, if you search the interwebs you will find stories about how it has been used. And in most cases it has been for insurance claims more than legal/criminal determinations.

Not intending to argue, I understand why people are concerned with this. And I do agree that ultimately this can lead to other less benign uses on that slippery slope.

How about if you get pulled over for speeding and the cop simply accesses your EDR for an exact speed? Well technically if you were speeding you would simply be paying for the exact amount. And breaking the law is what got you pulled over in the first place.

The little bit of knowledge I have on this is from articles, etc. is that a very large percentage of this is determining simply that people were lying about the use of the vehicle prior to and up to an accident. This can be either for insurance purposes or litigious purposes. But I haven't found a case where someone was harmed through incorrect use of the data other than their lie was exposed.

And in most legal cases there is an expert witness that can reconstruct any accident using general automotive principles and a bit of physics. This just cuts through that crap and says what the vehicle was or was not doing.

And OP, all I would ask that you consider is if you are ever in a situation where the EDR needs to be accessed for an accident and you are in court, you will now look like you are hiding something simply by having it disconnected.

And also keep in mind you would also be losing data that could prove you were right. "honest, I had my foot on the brake". EDR would prove that you did.

Always a good discussion but we are 5 years to late to do anything about it. Most people don't care and it has been law for some time now, and GM has had it for a long time and it has had little impact on sales.

[Shift_Rejected]

This is 2014, if you want to do something without it be logged by some device somewhere.. Don't do it.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

It very much is big brother and I very much disagree with it. Advocates say "well if you aren't doing anything wrong...". So, so true. So they won't mind if I install a camera in their bedrooms so I can make sure they are not cooking meth at night. Then they'd day "well that's not what the EDR does". No it currently does not but that's not the point. I'm being monitored, no matter how you slice it. It absolutely is invasive, albeit in a benign way, in it's current form. But no tyrant is truly benevolent.

Originally Posted by Shift_Rejected

This is 2014, if you want to do something without it be logged by some device somewhere.. Don't do it.

I'm not sure you could ever really go off the grid these days.

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Number 3

There is a big line constitutionally on what can be observed while you are in your home an what can be observed when you are in public. A long way from knowing what happened in an accident on public roads with other citizens potentially involved or injured.

EDR is absolutely no different, IMO, than a 7-11 having a camera behind the counter. You are only being "monitored" if your EDR is accessed and that is no more likely than if the police want to review the video at the 7-11.

[and lots of other things]

I believe I clearly placed a caveat on what I said, multiple times: in its present form:

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

It very much is big brother and I very much disagree with it. Advocates say "well if you aren't doing anything wrong...". So, so true. So they won't mind if I install a camera in their bedrooms so I can make sure they are not cooking meth at night. Then they'd day "well that's not what the EDR does". No it currently does not but that's not the point. I'm being monitored, no matter how you slice it. It absolutely is invasive, albeit in a benign way, in it's current form. But no tyrant is truly benevolent.

You and I know that EDR will not stay in its present form and we both know that this technology will also branch off into other areas. Advancements do not stand still.

if anyone says I'm paranoid...look at your cellphone. Calls were tracked after 9-11 so that the locations of calls could be pinpointed. This has been used to solve murder cases, a very good goal. Now NSA is recording what I say, too, despite the fact I'm not a criminal risk. They don't need to know any of that. But they do, and I no longer am innocent until proven guilty. I'm innocent so long as its proven. And the courts have now struck down the argument against that idea. That is not paranoia, its fact. The good idea for a noble cause now violates my privacy in that case...and it's now legally done. The next step is knowing where my car is at all times and recording that to track my whereabouts and travel patterns. All for a good cause no doubt. But there's no reason to monitor me like that. It's the same progression as the cell phone.

In the USA, once we lose privacy, we never regain it. We are very shortsighted in this country in the last few generations and we need to become circumspect again.

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by Shift_Rejected

This is 2014, if you want to do something without it be logged by some device somewhere.. Don't do it.

Well , he did it and no one knew about it , until he start talking about it
If it's man made , it can , and will be tampered with !

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Shift_Rejected

This is 2014, if you want to do something without it be logged by some device somewhere.. Don't do it.

Do you see that this is the same logic as "if you're innocent, you have nothing to worry about while we watch you"?