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VADER SS L99 · 06-05-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HpJunkie69

Not the case. Actually i believe the Z's driver was better, from what ive read.

OK, I read some of that thread and it does seem driver mod was not the case. What surprised the crap out of me is on the 3rd gear runs the GT500 pulled 1/2 a car on the start and just stayed there till 180. I would have thought after 120 the Z would have at least switched places with the GT500. Another surprise is in second it was the Z that jumped out 1/2 a car in front as expected but the GT500 gained on it in 3rd and the end result was 1/2 a car winner GT500. Not fully doubting what happened but definitly want video on the next run.

peteypab2133 · 06-05-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Seems as though the 500 is peaking @ about 65-6600 rpm...which means the "8-second over-rev" function is at play on the dyno...which wouldn't be at play at all times, otherwise.

Why wouldn't it be in play at all times?

On the dyno you rev it out
At the track you rev it out
on the highway you rev it out

SSmoked · 06-05-2012, 05:01 PM

Impressive numbers by the Shebly. Now lets see how well the ZL1 can hang with the Shebly in the twisties, screw 1/4 test we all know the shelby has our Z beat by a long shot in that category.

Avenging Orange · 06-05-2012, 05:16 PM

I look at it this way......Headers and cai and that gap will shrink a bit.
But you cant fault Ford for doing it right the first time...........and tons of options as well. Have you even been able to order headers, cai, gears etc from GM? I dont think so. LOL, but you can buy a painted to match engine shroud for $380 or a sub for $1200 or an axel back exhaust for $1500....WOW! What a bargan!

Truck Norris · 06-05-2012, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stikSS

Again let's consider all the options... the shelby basically has Cold air and headers from the factory.. so it can take in and exhaust a lot better as well.

The GT500 does NOT have factory headers. It uses regular looking cast iron manifolds.

Maybe you are getting it confused with factory tubular manifolds used on the 5.0L.

SlingShot · 06-05-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SSmoked

Impressive numbers by the Shebly. Now lets see how well the ZL1 can hang with the Shebly in the twisties, screw 1/4 test we all know the shelby has our Z beat by a long shot in that category.

IMO the Shelby would have problems on a road course if it were more than one bonzi lap. I think there would be a problem with the weight balance, the having Brembo's in front only, and a driver that can't manage their right foot and stay out of the over rev.

jewc75 · 06-05-2012, 06:09 PM

Tune only GT500

97SS · 06-05-2012, 06:16 PM

If I owned a ZL1 or speculated negatively towards the GT500, I would keep silent and not a make fool out of myself (again). You don't have to be a genius to realize the ZL1 is hands down, is outperformed by the GT500. Looks, and feel will of course be subjective. Its just funny to now see the main excuse of "ZL1 will take it in cornering" (which of course, you will rarely see with any ZL1 owner). What happened to all of the previous users here, that said "too bad that it wont be able to hook up with 650HP", when clearly that isn't the issue with the new GT500. If you're true Camaro enthusiast, then you don't need to prove to anyone, which is the better car. I drive a 97 SS (which I purchased new). At that time, the new F-body was the king of performance between itself and the Mustang. I have debated about the new ZL1 and the GT500, but personally, I still think the Boss 302 is best "bang for your buck", all around performer.

VADER SS L99 · 06-05-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jewc75

Tune only GT500

If thats on 93 octane its impressive. Hood needs to be down though.

SSmoked · 06-05-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

IMO the Shelby would have problems on a road course if it were more than one bonzi lap. I think there would be a problem with the weight balance, the having Brembo's in front only, and a driver that can't manage their right foot and stay out of the over rev.

Lets wait and see before we start bench racing. Ford played alot with the suspension and there keeping there mouth quiet leading me to believe the car will speak for itself on the road course.

evolve · 06-05-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

If thats on 93 octane its impressive. Hood needs to be down though.

It is.

97SS · 06-05-2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

IMO the Shelby would have problems on a road course if it were more than one bonzi lap. I think there would be a problem with the weight balance, the having Brembo's in front only, and a driver that can't manage their right foot and stay out of the over rev.

My 97 SS lives on the track these days. The new Camaro ZL1 has everything against it, based off the facts - Bad Heat soak, overweight (understeer issues), with much less power. The MR suspension will not make up for those three "BIG" problems, in regards to competing with the GT500 (regarless of drag or road course racing).

I have no problem admitting that stock Boss 302's are gettings fast lap times, then my fully track prepped 97 SS. Does it bother me? Heck no, I still have the time of my life! There will always be someone bigger and better, then you.

VADER SS L99 · 06-05-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 97SS

If I owned a ZL1 or speculated negatively towards the GT500, I would keep silent and not a make fool out of myself (again). You don't have to be a genius to realize the ZL1 is hands down, is outperformed by the GT500. Looks, and feel will of course be subjective. Its just funny to now see the main excuse of "ZL1 will take it in cornering" (which of course, you will rarely see with any ZL1 owner). What happened to all of the previous users here, that said "too bad that it wont be able to hook up with 650HP", when clearly that isn't the issue with the new GT500. If you're true Camaro enthusiast, then you don't need to prove to anyone, which is the better car. I drive a 97 SS (which I purchased new). At that time, the new F-body was the king of performance between itself and the Mustang. I have debated about the new ZL1 and the GT500, but personally, I still think the Boss 302 is best "bang for your buck", all around performer.

Except for the Boss I agree 100%. Also if you look back like before the GT500 was released but after the GT500 specs were released I said the GT500 was going to eat the ZL1 alive. It pains me to say that but facts are facts and you can't overcome the power to weight ratio.

97SS · 06-05-2012, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SSmoked

Lets wait and see before we start bench racing. Ford played alot with the suspension and there keeping there mouth quiet leading me to believe the car will speak for itself on the road course.

Exactly what I am thinking.

+2 on your signature pic. That ZL1 looks hawt!

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06-05-2012, 05:01 PM	#2495
SSmoked Drives: '12 Camaro ZL1 #1255 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: O' Canada Posts: 1,279	Impressive numbers by the Shebly. Now lets see how well the ZL1 can hang with the Shebly in the twisties, screw 1/4 test we all know the shelby has our Z beat by a long shot in that category. __________________

06-05-2012, 05:16 PM	#2496
Avenging Orange Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Clermont, IN Posts: 3,297	I look at it this way......Headers and cai and that gap will shrink a bit. But you cant fault Ford for doing it right the first time...........and tons of options as well. Have you even been able to order headers, cai, gears etc from GM? I dont think so. LOL, but you can buy a painted to match engine shroud for $380 or a sub for $1200 or an axel back exhaust for $1500....WOW! What a bargan! __________________ 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS M6 Black Leather, Sun Roof, OBX Headers, Borla touring axle back, Cold Air Inductions CAI , non synthetic fluids, BMR total bushing upgrade/1" lowering springs, DSE 32mm rear sway bar. GM fe4 shocks/struts/LCA's, AAM 3.91 diff, Vertini RFS1.8 20x9 +30. Conti ExtremeContact Sport 275/35/20. sjm autoprod ABL dash kit. Mike Norris tuned 413/419. Avenging Orange: 43 years of not buying into the Hype........and damn proud of it!! https://youtu.be/9JD9it6SmB8 https://youtu.be/xmelTlEzI34 KICKING CANCERS ASS SINCE 2015!!

06-05-2012, 06:16 PM	#2500
97SS Drives: 1997 Camaro SS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Southern California Posts: 72	If I owned a ZL1 or speculated negatively towards the GT500, I would keep silent and not a make fool out of myself (again). You don't have to be a genius to realize the ZL1 is hands down, is outperformed by the GT500. Looks, and feel will of course be subjective. Its just funny to now see the main excuse of "ZL1 will take it in cornering" (which of course, you will rarely see with any ZL1 owner). What happened to all of the previous users here, that said "too bad that it wont be able to hook up with 650HP", when clearly that isn't the issue with the new GT500. If you're true Camaro enthusiast, then you don't need to prove to anyone, which is the better car. I drive a 97 SS (which I purchased new). At that time, the new F-body was the king of performance between itself and the Mustang. I have debated about the new ZL1 and the GT500, but personally, I still think the Boss 302 is best "bang for your buck", all around performer.