04-14-2022, 12:36 AM | #1 |
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Electric Vehicles
Cool tech, fast as hell given the weight..
My concern for the car scene in general is that the days of buying a ss and modding it to higher performance is over. That is sad. With EV you pay for what you get.
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04-14-2022, 12:51 AM | #2 |
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Yeap. Unless manufacturers allow their performance divisions to still have ICE models alongside their EV counterparts, we will become more of the minority.
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04-14-2022, 01:59 AM | #3 |
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Enjoy it while it lasts, although I dont think the world is going 100% electric anytime soon. Will take time to ramp up the production to have enough Lithium to produce all the batteries. We will see, maybe we can have some sort of hybrid future.
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04-14-2022, 04:59 AM | #4 |
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it will suck to be slower than whatever EV is next to us though.if there is a next gen camaro the base EV model will probably be almost as fast as a ZL-1 is now.i just hope its a real 2 door camaro and not a 4 door sedan...
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04-14-2022, 09:29 AM | #5 |
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Well, we got our new 2022 vert and love it, so we're set for a long time being in our 70+. We'll go all electric>>> in our wheelchairs<<< But then again we'll weir name tags.: crazy:
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04-14-2022, 10:05 AM | #6 |
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I figure, by the time that EV is my ONLY choice, I won't be driving or caring! I'm old enough to ride out my V8 dinosaurs until it won't matter. I'm good!
Not concerned about faster, there is always another car faster than you! I am only concerned with the experience and pleasure, none of which you get with an EV |
04-14-2022, 10:42 AM | #7 |
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I actually like EV. I don’t think it’s the solution folks think it is, but that’s another discussion lol.
My point is with EV it is what it is. The days of buying a lower level car and modding it to perform with the higher trim models are over. Case in point I purchased a SS, I would have liked a ZL1 but the wife would not be happy dropping that coin on a car…. but honestly didn’t bother me because I can mod my SS to ZL1 power levels pretty easily. With EV I don’t see that as an option.
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04-14-2022, 11:33 AM | #8 |
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04-14-2022, 12:34 PM | #9 |
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By tuning the car are you foregoing any over the air updates the manufacturer provides? This could be a big deterrent holding people back from upgrades the OEM isn't providing. It just depends on how many people will want aftermarket support for their EV and how accessible the ECU is to tune.
I could see manufacturers locking it down and making upgrades available only through dealers. Going all in with feature availability only through a subscription model. Not because these things aren't possible now but with this shift there is an opportunity to say this is how we do it now. There could be a manufacturer that caters to enthusiasts and allows, or at least turns a blind eye to third party tuning but that will require someone at the top with the right mindset or an unfulfilled market. EV's have proven themselves fast. The Hummer weighs over 9000 pounds and can do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. So maybe the EV aftermarket isn't chasing speed but rather engagement. Light weighting and dropping in manual transmissions could be the thing. |
04-14-2022, 12:43 PM | #10 |
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Tesla is local here in the Bay Area. We've seen them testing at Laguna on some of our track days. I've yet to see them complete a 20 minute session. After a few laps, they hook up to a gigantic diesel generator until the next session (where they do 3/4 laps). If they ever do manage more than a few minutes, any actual race that requires a pit-stop will cause the EV to lose badly. Unless it's a drag-race, or autocross, they're pretty far behind the ICE.
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04-14-2022, 12:46 PM | #11 | |
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I'd be ok if they did something like this with the Camaro: https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...a-future-cars/
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04-14-2022, 12:48 PM | #12 |
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I’m not really worried about being able to mod the car as I am past that point in my life. When I wanted a car that performed as well as my SS, I saved up and bought my SS. I now want a car that performs as well as a ZL1 while costing the same or less than a Zl1. Instead of trying to get my SS to be as fast like I would have back in the day, I am just saving up for a ZL1 instead because at this point in my life I’ve learned to appreciate oem reliability and performance.
When it comes to electric cars, for me to get one we will have to be at the point where electric versions of normal cars like Honda civics and corollas, perform past whatever my gas performance car is in the future while also costing the same or less. I’m specifically referring to 60-130 times as I don’t care about 0-60 as doing constant launches will cause my drivetrain to eventually break. I’m looking forward to seeing how often half shafts (or whatever the equivalent is in an electric car) get replaced in the future from people doing high torque launches with them. |
04-14-2022, 01:09 PM | #13 |
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My concern with EVs in the battery lifespan, currently you are looking at 10-12 years
When you compare that cost to gas cars it is roughly about the same amount as replacing the entire motor. Kind of kills the whole used car market when you need to factor that in. Imagine looking at a 2012 Camaro right now and knowing it will need a full motor swap soon (regardless of miles) So, unless it was beyond bargain priced would you still want to buy it?
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04-14-2022, 01:22 PM | #14 |
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My big issue with EV, is there are many questions and no solutions.
Forced switch to EV is like quitting heroin cold. Its just not that simple. There are things to consider and do before you can get to that point, and the EV industry is just not there, let alone is the infrastructure there to support it. Example: In Detroit, MI they want to develop charge as you drive roads. Why? Most people in Detroit couldn't afford an EV anyways? Not to mention location is everything. Charge as you go roads should be major highways. Now add to the fact just how effective that system is going to be? Lack of charging stations is a big factor as well. So are only Major cities allow to charge as they drive? Here's a better question why hasn't anyone developed a self charging EV motor yet? I heard rumors Chevy might be working on it.
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