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Old 10-24-2010, 06:54 AM   #127
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I didn't say that. However, saying you don't have a car when you have been provided one. Doesn't quite square.

Add to that all the bluster about new engine versus rebuilt and diminished value, and it just seems a bit over the top at times i here.

Regardless, it's time to quit the over the top bluster about how intrinsically valuable these cars are. It is a mass produced mass market auto. It won't gain any value for about 30-40 years from now, if ever.

And yes i do understand the frustration. My Camaro was laid up for over two weeks, instead of running around demanding the moon and the stars, I waited to have it fixed. I expected Nd received the treatment which I had agreed to when I bought the car. My main disappointment was that the problem (split open trans oil cooler), happened at 1800 miles.

My position all along here has been that the Manufacturer and consumer enter into an agreement for warrantee repairs at the time of purchase. Regardless of whether you are in Canada or the U.S.

Yes the fact that the car has been out of services is not right. But, the end result is that there has been a vehicle provided for the owner here. That is hardly an inconvenience.

Ask yourself this.... Do the other Manufacturers do this? Does Toyota? Honda? Nissan? Chrysler? Ford? I honestly don't know Since I own a Camaro and a used Chrysler that is out of warrantee.

I do agree however that there is a lot of work needed by all the Manufacturers and suppliers, regardless of make for ensuring timely supply of parts and replacements.

Pardon any typos here. I am typing this on my Ipad.
I dont think anyone Is auguring that point its the point of buying a new car and getting a rebuilt motor with some little miles on the car.
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:46 AM   #128
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I didn't say that. However, saying you don't have a car when you have been provided one. Doesn't quite square.

Add to that all the bluster about new engine versus rebuilt and diminished value, and it just seems a bit over the top at times i here.

Regardless, it's time to quit the over the top bluster about how intrinsically valuable these cars are. It is a mass produced mass market auto. It won't gain any value for about 30-40 years from now, if ever.

And yes i do understand the frustration. My Camaro was laid up for over two weeks, instead of running around demanding the moon and the stars, I waited to have it fixed. I expected Nd received the treatment which I had agreed to when I bought the car. My main disappointment was that the problem (split open trans oil cooler), happened at 1800 miles.

My position all along here has been that the Manufacturer and consumer enter into an agreement for warrantee repairs at the time of purchase. Regardless of whether you are in Canada or the U.S.

Yes the fact that the car has been out of services is not right. But, the end result is that there has been a vehicle provided for the owner here. That is hardly an inconvenience.

Ask yourself this.... Do the other Manufacturers do this? Does Toyota? Honda? Nissan? Chrysler? Ford? I honestly don't know Since I own a Camaro and a used Chrysler that is out of warrantee.

I do agree however that there is a lot of work needed by all the Manufacturers and suppliers, regardless of make for ensuring timely supply of parts and replacements.

Pardon any typos here. I am typing this on my Ipad.
I'd wholeheartedly agree with the OP and as you've noted the situation isn't right, nor has it been righted in a proper and timely fashion........44 days with-out the car is unreasonable. I think you're painting the term inconvenience with a pretty narrow paint brush. A minor inconvenience to one person can be a logistical and financial nightmare for another................ in addition to not having the car they chose to own and drive as noted, and we don't know the varibles pertaining to this particular individual. Inconvenience can run the gammet.............What if, the OP were moving across country, providing support for a sick or dying family member elsewhere, serving our country in the military over seas, traveling abroad, or simply wanting to get on with life in general with out the unwarranted inconveniences............................and in as much, it is a marketplace of mass production where untimely failure comes into play, and the situation become a obvious and inordiante burden on the consumer of no fault of their own, there surely must have been some planning on the builders of these cars to provide customer satisfaction if those scenarios arrose.

Who cares what the other manufactures may or may not be offering customers in comparision. The OP supported GM and GM needs to get the think tanks thinking.................... situations like these aren't going unnoted.
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Old 10-24-2010, 09:08 AM   #129
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I'd wholeheartedly agree with the OP and as you've noted the situation isn't right, nor has it been righted in a proper and timely fashion........44 days with-out the car is unreasonable. I think you're painting the term inconvenience with a pretty narrow paint brush. A minor inconvenience to one person can be a logistical and financial nightmare for another................ in addition to not having the car they chose to own and drive as noted, and we don't know the varibles pertaining to this particular individual. Inconvenience can run the gammet.............What if, the OP were moving across country, providing support for a sick or dying family member elsewhere, serving our country in the military over seas, traveling abroad, or simply wanting to get on with life in general with out the unwarranted inconveniences............................and in as much, it is a marketplace of mass production where untimely failure comes into play, and the situation become a obvious and inordiante burden on the consumer of no fault of their own, there surely must have been some planning on the builders of these cars to provide customer satisfaction if those scenarios arrose.

Who cares what the other manufactures may or may not be offering customers in comparision. The OP supported GM and GM needs to get the think tanks thinking.................... situations like these aren't going unnoted.
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Old 10-25-2010, 04:21 PM   #130
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You might wanna check the lemon laws in your state right now. In Florida at least, if your car is out of commission for 15 or more days, you are automatically entitled to a substantially similar vehicle or your money back. You just gotta fill out the paperwork. Im sure your State has similar lemon law statutes.

Just my 2 cents, but I'd rather have a new car then a completely rebuilt engine which has hundreds of components, each of which has to be built correctly.


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After reading that your car has been out of commission for over 40 days, you really need to get a lawyer now. I can almost guarantee that you'll be given a new car.
because thats how the real world works. hahahahaa
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Old 10-25-2010, 07:11 PM   #131
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because thats how the real world works. hahahahaa
My states law is over 30 days. The problem is that if they are able to fix my car I'll have trouble with a lemon law suit as they will just say they fixed the car. The lemon law is flexible and vague on purpose.
However if I don't get the car back by this Friday my lawyer says I have an almost 100% chance of winning a case as the amount of days the car would have been in the shop will be over 46.

Thus if I don't get this car back by Friday all fixed up to new hell will be set loose. I'll contact all my local media outlets and offer them my story as well as the evidence that this is more a wide spread problem that it appears. NO taxpayers want to hear that their money went to bailing out a company that treats its customers so horribly.

Not to mention I've been saving since I was seventeen and started my job as a recreation assistant for mentally disabled children's programs. Additionally now at the age of 20 I have been promoted to staff overseer/specialist.

They would love the story. "20 year old who works with mentally disabled children rewarded with broken new Camaro and a ton of headaches, story follows." Haha even I laughed at that one.

But seriously come Friday this ends.
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Old 10-25-2010, 08:42 PM   #132
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because thats how the real world works. hahahahaa

I forgot.. your the expert on the real world. You say your a cop, so I guess being a douchebag instead of trying to help others goes hand in hand with that job title. Trolls will be trolls.

Anyways, good thing you retained a lawyer to help you through the process. Understand it is a process and Chevy will resist you at every turn, but be patient, and you will be rewarded.
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:22 PM   #133
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Btw guys considering my car will be in the shop from about 34-37 days would you guys think any of these requests from myself are outlandish in nature?

I'd like at least two or three total out of the list, I don't expect to get all of them but it would be nice.

1.) I want my car payment paid this past month.
2.) xx amount of free oil changes good at any dealership
3.) One Camaro accessory of my choice (exhaust/car cover/lip kit etc)
4.) Refunded the difference in value from my car with a rebuilt motor and a new motor.

Still no word on the car...
If they gave you a loaner car then no way can you get a payment made for you.
Oil changes maybe.
Accessories for free--- probably not.
No way to tell the drop of value, but it's something to bring up as if you were trading it in they would ding you for it.

How many months have you owned it?
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:30 PM   #134
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If it was due to something I did wrong on assembly it's a totally appropriate punishment. You build the engine exactly according to specs or find another job. Not that difficult.

If it is found that the problem was not due to something you did then you get all of your retro pay upon rehire.

Standards need to be set to perfection and anything less is unacceptable. Show me a Mercedes engine or a Honda engine that suffered catastrophic failure with 9,000 miles on the clock and no mods or abuse. Go ahead. Search. You won't find it, because there's a level of expectation demanded by those companies.

FYI, the sticking accelerators are more due to idiot drivers and bad floor mats than what the factory or designers did. It's been proven virtually all of the "stuck accelerator" fiascos were hoaxes. That guy who called 911 and had the police get in front of him to bring his car to a stop is lucky Toyota isn't suing him for slander because they could surely win.

Here's your Mercedes-
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w211...wn-engine.html
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:39 PM   #135
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If they gave you a loaner car then no way can you get a payment made for you.
Oil changes maybe.
Accessories for free--- probably not.
No way to tell the drop of value, but it's something to bring up as if you were trading it in they would ding you for it.

How many months have you owned it?
I'm getting two payments apparently. And I've had it since the first week in April of this year.
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Old 10-27-2010, 01:35 PM   #136
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Wednesday and still no call so I took it upon myself to call the dealer. First they told me they STILL haven't received the parts! They then called back to say they do have the parts and "expect" the car to be ready by Friday.

Well this little mix up was enough to officially piss my dad off so now GM has two angry customers to deal with.

So basically its day 42 and they STILL are not sure they will have my car ready.
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Old 10-27-2010, 02:53 PM   #137
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Wednesday and still no call so I took it upon myself to call the dealer. First they told me they STILL haven't received the parts! They then called back to say they do have the parts and "expect" the car to be ready by Friday.

Well this little mix up was enough to officially piss my dad off so now GM has two angry customers to deal with.

So basically its day 42 and they STILL are not sure they will have my car ready.
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Just... WOW.
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By now, I'd have gotten myself all tuned up...
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called a couple of my friends...
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picked up some supplies
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but that's just me.
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:18 PM   #138
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Just... WOW.
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By now, I'd have gotten myself all tuned up...
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called a couple of my friends...
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picked up some supplies
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and had someone's ass...
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but that's just me.
LOOOL that was an epic post!


Ugh tomorrows the day....
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Old 10-29-2010, 10:34 PM   #139
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I forgot.. your the expert on the real world. You say your a cop, so I guess being a douchebag instead of trying to help others goes hand in hand with that job title. Trolls will be trolls.

Anyways, good thing you retained a lawyer to help you through the process. Understand it is a process and Chevy will resist you at every turn, but be patient, and you will be rewarded.
you are the almighty asshole who thinks he runs the lands because he passed a test. if your so noble then go work for the PROSECUTING ATTORNEY office. but you and i know they dont make the BIG bucks so you will continue to defend drunks and drug dealers.

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Old 10-29-2010, 11:42 PM   #140
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Got it back, car seems to be running okay....as of now its a successful rebuild.
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