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Old 05-12-2009, 10:22 PM   #365
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Old 05-12-2009, 10:47 PM   #367
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Old 05-12-2009, 11:13 PM   #368
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Think for yourself, people. Do your own research.

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demand was overwhelmingly for the TVS2300, not the 1900...
Obviously.
Demand is there because the 2300 is the better blower for a 6.2 liter engine.
Shops that are ordering these blowers already KNOW what they want, and why.

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The dyno confirmed what Jerry has been stating for years – “Run the smallest supercharger that will provide your target boost level. It will be more responsive (make boost sooner) and will require less horsepower to drive.”

Straight from the man himself.
I don't care WHO you are quoting.
The larger blower (2300) will run cooler and offer more expandability.
As far as smaller is better....maybe for a turbo.
But, positive displacement blowers (TVS) make boost off idle , so going larger is NOT going to make a huge difference.


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you could save some hard earned money going with the 1900.
As far as the extra money...the 2300 cost $400 more than the 1900.
The 1900 comes stock on a $60,000 CTS-V. The 2300 comes stock on a $120,000 ZR1.
If you are sweating $400, forced induction (and modding in general) is NOT for you.


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there were lots of debates on other forums about the differences between 1900 and 2300 and my final understanding was, 2300 is more suited for larger displacements with forged bottom and will require 8 or 10 rib, where as for stock LS3 or even LS7, the 1900 produces better results, since it's more efficient for this level and you can still run your 6-rib system compared to 2300 that draws more power and you'll see belt slipping in high RPMs with 6-rib.
GM runs a 11 rib pulley system on their TVS 2300 (2009 ZR1) and it makes around 530rwhp.
You can easily make 530rwhp with a Camaro SS with addition of a TVS alone.(headers recommended)
So, a TVS 2300 should system should INCLUDE a wider pulley to begin with.

(By "debates on other forums", do you mean my threads being deleted and me being permanently banned because I posted FACTS like I have been?
Where are those a$$holes now that Magna CHOSE the 2300 for their Camaro system instead of the 1900?)

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Analyzing a vehicle's 1/4 mile timeslip (MPH) along with the trackside curb weight and density altitude is the ONLY way to determine the power it's truly making in my opinion.
Dynos are for tuning.

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Old 05-12-2009, 11:30 PM   #369
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The dyno confirmed what Jerry has been stating for years – “Run the smallest supercharger that will provide your target boost level. It will be more responsive (make boost sooner) and will require less horsepower to drive.”

Straight from the man himself.
Thank you Sir!
That's exactly what I was trying to say. And I had not seen the above quote but makes a lot of sense.
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Old 05-13-2009, 12:20 AM   #370
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Thank you Sir!
That's exactly what I was trying to say. And I had not seen the above quote but makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, because "Jerry" knows more than all the engineers at GM.

GM chose the TVS 2300 for 530 rwhp.
Until someone presents some HARD DATA to the contrary,
the 2300 is the blower for a LS3 making around 530rwhp.
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Think for yourself, people. Do your own research.

As far as the extra money...the 2300 cost $400 more than the 1900.
The 1900 comes stock on a $60,000 CTS-V. The 2300 comes stock on a $120,00 ZR1.
If you are sweating $400, forced induction (and modding in general) is NOT for you.
im going to have to agree with this
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Old 05-13-2009, 07:11 AM   #372
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I'm still waiting for a detailed comparison of intercooler systems of Magna's 2300, GM's 23000...... and now Techco's 3.0L twin screw.

This video fully details the Techco intercooling system, along with their supercharger's designs and all billet construction.
http://techco.vidiac.com/video/652fa...d900bdf550.htm
How does Maggie's 2300 system compare?

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Old 05-13-2009, 07:33 AM   #373
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At some point, there were lots of debates on other forums about the differences between 1900 and 2300 and my final undrestanding was, 2300 is more suited for larger displacements with forged bottom and will require 8 or 10 rib, where as for stock LS3 or even LS7, the 1900 produces better results, since it's more efficient for this level and you can still run your 6-rib system compared to 2300 that draws more power and you'll see belt slipping in high RPMs with 6-rib.

Just some points to consider!
Same thing I was thinking ..

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Old 05-13-2009, 07:35 AM   #374
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Yeah, because "Jerry" knows more than all the engineers at GM.

GM chose the TVS 2300 for 530 rwhp.
Until someone presents some HARD DATA to the contrary,
the 2300 is the blower for a LS3 making around 530rwhp.
Go check out the 03/04 cobra forums etc ... bigger blower isn't always the better blower. You have to look at the application. I think the larger blower will do better with forged internals where you are going to crank the boost up .. the smaller one should be fine and possibly even a little better for lower boost applications ..

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Old 05-13-2009, 07:49 AM   #375
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Just from doing my own research on what the Vette guys are seeing...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1568994009-post32.html

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We are still in the research and development phase of our TVS 2300 system. As we did with our 1900 system, we perform an extensive amount of testing before we release any of our products to the public. Once our r&d is complete we will release a TVS 2300 system and offer an option for those who already have our TVS 1900 to upgrade to the 2300 when it is available. So far though we have found that the value, efficiency, and power output of the TVS 1900 is hard to beat. For instance, our TVS 1900 on a 2008 6.2L at 7.5lbs of boost produces 658 flywheel hp vs the 638hp produced by the TVS 2300 at 10.5lbs of boost on the ZR1. Our early r&d has also shown that the 2300 supercharger will also require an upgraded fuel system and most likely an 11-rib belt system opposed to the boost-a-pump and 8-rib belt system used to run the 1900 (both of which are included in our 1900 system)
Looks like for those who will be keeping the 6.2L, the TVS1900 actually makes more sense...unless someone else can tell me why the above is incorrect.

EDIT: Even if the TVS2300 makes more power, isn't ~550rwhp around the max a stock Camaro drivetrain can handle?
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Just from doing my own research on what the Vette guys are seeing...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1568994009-post32.html



Looks like for those who will be keeping the 6.2L, the TVS1900 actually makes more sense...unless someone else can tell me why the above is incorrect.

EDIT: Even if the TVS2300 makes more power, isn't ~550rwhp around the max a stock Camaro drivetrain can handle?
That's not a Magna 1900 system that comes with a 6 rib pulley system.
That's the MTI Racing's 1900. They "claim" it's "MTI Racing's proprietary design". Who knows. But, it comes with a 8 rib pulley system and a boost-a-pump.
I think an 8 rib should be a minimum.
These guys are even running a separate pulley/belt for the blower.
http://techco.vidiac.com/video/a290f...db00dfff94.htm

Frankly, I don't care what anyone who is selling something tells me.
I base what I post on my experience and from what owners who have "been there and done that" have to say.
Go with the bigger PD blower. You will not regret it.

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Go check out the 03/04 cobra forums etc ... bigger blower isn't always the better blower.
I agree about that with centris and turbos. But, we're talking positive displacement blowers here that make off idle boost. The bigger PD blower is not going to hurt you. Guys are running 3.0 liter PD blowers on little 4.6 Mustangs.

I know about Mustangs. I was running a 9 second blown 5.0 as street cars in the early 1990's.

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That's not a Magna 1900 system that comes with a 6 rib pulley system.
That's the MTI Racing's 1900. They "claim" it's "MTI Racing's proprietary design". Who knows. But, it comes with a 8 rib pulley system and a boost-a-pump.

Frankly, I don't care what anyone who is selling something tells me.
I base what I post on my experience and from what owners who have "been there and done that" have to say.
Go with the bigger PD blower. You will not regret it.


I agree about that with centris and turbos. But, we're talking positive displacement blowers here that make off idle boost. The bigger PD blower is not going to hurt you. Guys are running 3.0 liter PD blowers on little 4.6 Mustangs.

I know about Mustangs. I was running a 9 second blown 5.0 as street cars in the early 1990's.

If you talk with Whipple, I bet they will tell you the same thing .. it is a waste of time going with the larger blower unless you want to crank up the boost ... So yes, I'm talking about positive displacement blowers

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If you talk with Whipple, I bet they will tell you the same thing .. it is a waste of time going with the larger blower unless you want to crank up the boost ... So yes, I'm talking about positive displacement blowers
Well, considering GM chose the 2300 for 530rwhp, AND Magna chose the 2300 for the LS3, I guess you are arguing a mute point, aren't you?

Techco (ex-Saleen) is running a 3.0L PD blower on stock 4.6's and the LS3.
You want to ask them if the 2.3L is too big for the LS3.
http://techco.vidiac.com/video/a290f...db00dfff94.htm
http://techco.vidiac.com/video/652fa...d900bdf550.htm

Kenne Bell is also running a 2.8L on a LS3.
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