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or vice versa, that nearly all the components of a "domestic car" are manufactured out of the country and only assembled in the US? Is it really made in the USA or just Assembled in the USA? Does it even matter when the companies aren't doing it out of some patriotic duty or that they care about the people. If they could have the market pull that being "domestic" gives them but do everything much cheaper in some other country, they would do it in a heartbeat and all the shareholders would reward them for it.
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For years before SpaceX came along, regulators didn't care that Boeing & Lockheed's joint venture United Launch Alliance monopolized American launch vehicles. That the price to launch a satellite was allowed to grow sky high (pardon the pun) didn't faze anyone until Elon Musk came along to capitalize on it. Point is, I wouldn't trust the government to stand in the way of this when executives put on their sad puppy dog eyes and claim they can't survive (read: maintain market share) without merging. Quote:
Needless to say, though, even naming the surviving vehicles in the truck and pony car segments will be hard, as both segments are among the most brand-loyal out there, and many won't want a rebodied Chevy called a Ford or vice versa, and creating a whole new name to avoid that headache takes away the market recognition that both companies' products have today. Last edited by Lazerbrainz2k3; 05-30-2019 at 11:53 AM. |
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05-31-2019, 12:26 PM | #47 |
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Actually GM was directed by the idiots in the Obama administration to kill Olds, Pontiac, Hummer, Saturn, and Buick as part of the bailout. Only when GM showed the government morons sales of the Buick brand in China was Buick allowed to continue.
Was a shame too because Pontiac had just introduced a bunch of new models. To this day, the Pontiac Grand Am IMO was one of the most comfortable sporty 4 door cars to drive. And the Hummer HX GM showed off at an auto show looked awesome. And one could only imagine a Pontiac Trans Am on the Camaro platform.. Damn shame.. |
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Pontiac, as a whole, was pretty pointless. There wasn't anything that it did that couldn't be accomplished by a Chevy. Everything was practical twin to a Chevy, except the G8 and Solstice. One was literally a rebadged Holden and the other (I'm 99% sure) was inspired by the C1 Corvette. It wouldn't have been hard to have made both a Chevy had Pontiac not existed. GMC survived because a) appreciably better profit margins than equivalent Chevy's and b) relatively few cross-shoppers between the two brands. GM stood to lose a ton of money by getting rid of GMC. Neither of those things were true for Pontiac. Saturn probably had a better business case than Pontiac did as I'm reasonably sure (~80%) that those buyers were largely either loyal to the Saturn brand or conquests from the likes of Toyota and Honda. Few considered buying a Chevrolet or Buick. A new Firebird would only have ever existed in the imagination as there were no plans to build one off the Zeta platform. It was determined that it would have cannibalized too many of its sales from Camaro to be worth developing. Selling 80k Camaros per year is better than selling 55k Camaros + 35k Firebirds because you don't have to pay for extra tooling or development costs for the 2nd model. I like my Grand Am. But in an alternate universe, had GM kept the Beretta around for another generation I would have bought that without any hesitation.
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Yeah, us peeps in the bible belt. We some bad Mo Fos!! I don't know how I've survived here all these years. You just better do yourself a favor and stay away.
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I highly doubt it. While it is physically possible, the two brands have been lifelong competitors. A few of their products are geared towards similar markets, so there will be a lot of consolidating and eliminating between the two companies. It will be better for Ford and GM to remain competitors.
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05-31-2019, 02:46 PM | #52 |
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Is it over really lol? Nobody I know including my wife and myself aren't out tripping over others to buy a gm or Ford sedan. In fact the last gm sedan we owned was a 97 Grand am back in the late 90's. Since Nissan and others have stepped up, we don't even bother looking at anything else.
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