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209camaross · 06-07-2016, 06:36 PM

So my car put down 398 hp and 407 tq with full bolt ons and a 3200 stall.. now i just did a cam swap, i got gpi ss3 vvt cam and just retuned it again and made 450hp and 391 tq. How did i lose torque? Ive seen guys averaging 470hp and 430 tq with this cam

Camaro_Mike · 06-08-2016, 01:06 AM

398 rwhp is high for a bolt-on L99. Was this done on the same dyno? Does it feel slower?

Bo White · 06-08-2016, 02:44 AM

Yeah local bolt on and stalled L99s make 360-370

christianchevell · 06-08-2016, 06:59 AM

Different LSA for one, don't know the specs as they are not listed for the ss3 vvt cam, you look to the LSA being a lot lower than the stock enormous LSA which is the torque difference.......And drivability difference, and etc

frack · 06-08-2016, 07:23 AM

Mine had full bolt ons. Headers, gutted cats, CAI, Catback, Ported throttle body before SS3 VVT cam install. I ended up with 411 hp. 389-390 torque with a 3800 stall. Mine runs like shit after 2 tunes. They can't seem to get the vvt settings right?? Mine felt stronger before cam install.

flyer08 · 06-08-2016, 10:07 AM

Find a new tuner if it runs like shit.

15rs/ss · 06-08-2016, 04:00 PM

Pro Stock John · 06-08-2016, 09:59 PM

I made 367 rwhp with bolt-ons.

I made like 455-460 rhwp on a load dyno, I'm probably higher than that now.

I don't really care about the torque, it runs 10.90@125 at the track and that's all I care about.

I have the same cam.

DOC52 · 06-09-2016, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by flyer08

Find a new tuner if it runs like shit.

+1. Head to GP Tuning in the Bay Area. I'm making 450 rwhp on the ss2 vvt and Matt at GP Tuning tuned mine.

DOC52 · 06-09-2016, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 209camaross

So my car put down 398 hp and 407 tq with full bolt ons and a 3200 stall.. now i just did a cam swap, i got gpi ss3 vvt cam and just retuned it again and made 450hp and 391 tq. How did i lose torque? Ive seen guys averaging 470hp and 430 tq with this cam

Might want a looser stall with the ss3 as well

2010reddevil · 06-09-2016, 07:07 AM

The only thing that matters is if the tune is dialed in. Dyno numbers are just that, numbers. They're really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. What really matters is what that car puts down in a 1/4 mile. Even with the said, 1/4 mile numbers don't mean shit either. As long as it drives good, is tuned good and you are happy with the results, that's all that really matters.

Punisher_ATX · 06-09-2016, 11:44 AM

Every dyno will read differently. Especially on an auto car at different power levels the converter will flash differently.

209camaross · 06-09-2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaro_Mike

398 rwhp is high for a bolt-on L99. Was this done on the same dyno? Does it feel slower?

Sorry i meant 389 and yea, same dyno

209camaross · 06-09-2016, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOC52

+1. Head to GP Tuning in the Bay Area. I'm making 450 rwhp on the ss2 vvt and Matt at GP Tuning tuned mine.

I heard gp tuning and synergy are really good, but really expensive

06-07-2016, 06:36 PM	#1
209camaross Drives: 2012 camaro ss ashen gray Join Date: May 2012 Location: modesto ca Posts: 278	Made less torque after cam swap.. why? So my car put down 398 hp and 407 tq with full bolt ons and a 3200 stall.. now i just did a cam swap, i got gpi ss3 vvt cam and just retuned it again and made 450hp and 391 tq. How did i lose torque? Ive seen guys averaging 470hp and 430 tq with this cam __________________

06-08-2016, 02:44 AM	#3
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	Yeah local bolt on and stalled L99s make 360-370 __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

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christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	Different LSA for one, don't know the specs as they are not listed for the ss3 vvt cam, you look to the LSA being a lot lower than the stock enormous LSA which is the torque difference.......And drivability difference, and etc __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

06-08-2016, 07:23 AM	#5
frack Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange SS Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: United States Posts: 120 View My Garage	Mine had full bolt ons. Headers, gutted cats, CAI, Catback, Ported throttle body before SS3 VVT cam install. I ended up with 411 hp. 389-390 torque with a 3800 stall. Mine runs like shit after 2 tunes. They can't seem to get the vvt settings right?? Mine felt stronger before cam install.
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06-08-2016, 09:59 PM	#8
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,216	I made 367 rwhp with bolt-ons. I made like 455-460 rhwp on a load dyno, I'm probably higher than that now. I don't really care about the torque, it runs 10.90@125 at the track and that's all I care about. I have the same cam. __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

06-08-2016, 01:06 AM	#2
Camaro_Mike Drives: 2011 CGM SS LS3 Join Date: May 2013 Location: Charotte Posts: 288 View My Garage	398 rwhp is high for a bolt-on L99. Was this done on the same dyno? Does it feel slower?

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flyer08 Account Suspended Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 3,418	Find a new tuner if it runs like shit.

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2010reddevil Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Victory Red 6M Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Gulf Coast, TX Posts: 1,424	The only thing that matters is if the tune is dialed in. Dyno numbers are just that, numbers. They're really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. What really matters is what that car puts down in a 1/4 mile. Even with the said, 1/4 mile numbers don't mean shit either. As long as it drives good, is tuned good and you are happy with the results, that's all that really matters. __________________ 2011 2SS 6A Red Jewel Metallic, Vararam Tune CAI, Magnaflow 3" Competition c/b, Speed Engineering 1-7/8 LT's, Circle D 5C, M/T 275/40R20 S/S, HPTuners tune by Ryan@GPI 12.3 @ 112 ACM as of 12/22/19 Gone on 12/28/19 R I P 2010 2SS 6M Victory Red/Black (old ride) CAI intake, Speed Engineering 1 7/8" LT's, X4 base tune, Flowmaster Outlaw axle-back. 12.6 @ 115 SAR as of 9/19/15 Gone but never forgotten.

06-09-2016, 11:44 AM	#12
Punisher_ATX Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Austin Posts: 439	Every dyno will read differently. Especially on an auto car at different power levels the converter will flash differently.