[IOMike]

Originally Posted by newmoon

No denying the C8 is a great performer, looks wise I'll pass. While they did improve the front and rear over the C7, the side profile is awful. The problem I see is those running up to grab a BASE C8, will regret that decision as soon as a Z06 is offered. Did anyone even discuss a base C7 after the Z06 came, it was never in the conversation.

In my opinion there is nothing special about a base Corvette, the novelty of the mid engine will wear off very quickly, 1 year from now it will be forgotten when the Z06 is offered in likely 750 hp. If you want to drive around in the Grandfather's trimmed Vette grab the base, and cruise the nursing homes. If you are a performance enthusiast wait for the Z06.

More more more more more MORE MOOOOOORE!!!!

Sometimes less is more and not everyone wants the absolute Uber version of everything. Plenty of vehicles are ruined by more options, like trucks for example. As well as Camaros.

The performance level of a base c8 will still be wicked. I assume we are looking at 0-60 in around 3.3 seconds and a 11.5 1/4. Z51 is under 3 seconds and probably a low 11.

I wouldn't want for more than that.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by IOMike

More more more more more MORE MOOOOOORE!!!!

Sometimes less is more and not everyone wants the absolute Uber version of everything. Plenty of vehicles are ruined by more options, like trucks for example. As well as Camaros.

The performance level of a base c8 will still be wicked. I assume we are looking at 0-60 in around 3.3 seconds and a 11.5 1/4. Z51 is under 3 seconds and probably a low 11.

I wouldn't want for more than that.

The Z51 stingray will be under 3 sec to 60, the base car should only be about .2 slower and that would be 3.1 sec to 60. 1/4 mile time should be about the same 11.6 -11.5. The base cars being built will not be low 11 sec cars. Plenty for me also and a ton of other people. The nice thing is about having under 500 hp, is you can use it all on the street and the 1/4 mile for everyday fun. The high powered stuff is hard to manage and is worse on the street in the stoplight action and not a lot better running the 1/4 mile with factory tires.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Ok. And because of those markups that idiots paid the Shelby is now priced soo far out of reach that the vast majority of normal people who were considering one have already done put themselves on the C8 list. Meanwhile our ZL1s and C7s that are just soo horrible that they have to be heavily discounted can be had for a mint and will destroy anything that Ford puts on the table.

I still personally don't buy that mark up caused the price to go up. People have been paying mark ups for special edition Mustangs/Fords since 2007 when the first GT500 came out, when the Boss and Boss LS came out, when the 13/14 GT500 came out, when the GT350/R came out, first months of the 18 Bullitt and we can assume the 20 GT500. People also paid mark ups on the first Focus RS's and Raptors and some dealers are still asking for mark ups on Raptors. Why now 12 years after do we think oh dealerships have been charging ADM better raise the cost on this particular Mustang.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

When it started costing more. That's when. Regardless of competitors, it will always come down to what you'll pay for X and what you can get for that same money somewhere else. When the GT500 costs way more than the ZL1 and is in C8 Z06 price range then guess what. Someone somewhere is going to figure out that for the same money they can get a car that will whup the snot out of the GT500.

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We have no idea what a C8 Z06 will cost, the current C7 Z06 starts at 82,990 so it's already more expensive than the GT500. I would assume the C8 version will start at either the same or slightly more than the C7 version. But yes I would agree the C8 Z is going to put a whupping on just about everything.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Ok. Which one will win in the quarter mile and around a track. I put my money on the C8. Care to place a bet??

Not for nothing, but it is a standard Vette. If the only thing the GT500 can brag about is that it can beat the standard C8 in a straight line then that is a huge waste of $74K+. It won't beat the C8 Z06 at anything. And I bet the C8 Z06 will come in cheaper too.

On the track, I think it will depend on the track. I think the C8 would be able to win on some tracks. 1/4 I still think the GT500 will have the edge. The Z51 might get to 60 slightly quicker but i think the GT500 power advantage will reel it in by the end of the 1/4.

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

The Z51 stingray will be under 3 sec to 60, the base car should only be about .2 slower and that would be 3.1 sec to 60. 1/4 mile time should be about the same 11.6 -11.5. The base cars being built will not be low 11 sec cars. Plenty for me also and a ton of other people. The nice thing is about having under 500 hp, is you can use it all on the street and the 1/4 mile for everyday fun. The high powered stuff is hard to manage and is worse on the street in the stoplight action and not a lot better running the 1/4 mile with factory tires.

This ^

In other GT500 news, it makes peak torque from 3K all the way to redline.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/05/...ngine-details/

[Baldilocks01SS]

I see they just published the 0-100-0 numbers for the GT500 as 10.6 seconds. Given the ZL1 can do 0-100 in 7.5 seconds, how impressive is the GT500 with 100+ more HP?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I still personally don't buy that mark up caused the price to go up. People have been paying mark ups for special edition Mustangs/Fords since 2007 when the first GT500 came out, when the Boss and Boss LS came out, when the 13/14 GT500 came out, when the GT350/R came out, first months of the 18 Bullitt and we can assume the 20 GT500. People also paid mark ups on the first Focus RS's and Raptors and some dealers are still asking for mark ups on Raptors. Why now 12 years after do we think oh dealerships have been charging ADM better raise the cost on this particular Mustang.



We have no idea what a C8 Z06 will cost, the current C7 Z06 starts at 82,990 so it's already more expensive than the GT500. I would assume the C8 version will start at either the same or slightly more than the C7 version. But yes I would agree the C8 Z is going to put a whupping on just about everything.



On the track, I think it will depend on the track. I think the C8 would be able to win on some tracks. 1/4 I still think the GT500 will have the edge. The Z51 might get to 60 slightly quicker but i think the GT500 power advantage will reel it in by the end of the 1/4.




This ^

In other GT500 news, it makes peak torque from 3K all the way to redline.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/05/...ngine-details/

I would expect that the Z06 would be positioned with the CFTP, so high 80s for a Z06 would still be a comparative bargain.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I would expect that the Z06 would be positioned with the CFTP, so high 80s for a Z06 would still be a comparative bargain.

Oh yeah it would be.

I completely blanked on the cost of the CFTP. So base GT500 to Z06, GT500 is cheaper but I'd bet the farm the Z is a much better performer.

And the CFTP and its insane price tag the Z IMO will be all around better and probably cheaper.

[krw1103]

As in all motor powered vehicles, horsepower to weight ration should be calculated to get your first guess of which one will perform better.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

I see they just published the 0-100-0 numbers for the GT500 as 10.6 seconds. Given the ZL1 can do 0-100 in 7.5 seconds, how impressive is the GT500 with 100+ more HP?

2020 GT500 0-100-0: 10.6

Comparisons 0-100-0:
2017 R8 V10 Plus: 10.0
2016 570S: 10.1
2017 NSX: 10.9
2016 GT S: 10.9
https://www.motortrend.com/news/the-...-0-100-0-test/

Laguna Seca corresponding lap times:
2017 R8 V10 Plus: 1:34.23
2018 ZL1 1LE: 1:34.30
2016 570S: 1:34.58
2016 GT S: 1:35.57
2017 NSX: 1:36.36
2016 GT350R: 1:36.11

Gives you an idea where the GT500 will be

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

I see they just published the 0-100-0 numbers for the GT500 as 10.6 seconds. Given the ZL1 can do 0-100 in 7.5 seconds, how impressive is the GT500 with 100+ more HP?

The ZL1 was 11.1 seconds 0-100-0 based on Motor Trend's test, and that same car did 0-100 in 7.4 seconds and 1/4 in 11.5 @ 125 mph. Not bad numbers by any means. Motor Trend tested the C7 ZR1 0-100-0 in 10.4 seconds. And it did 0-100 in 6.6 seconds (and 11.0 @ 131.9 mph (!!) in the 1/4 mile).

Assuming the GT500 time of 10.6 seconds 0-100-0 is true, that's only 2 tenths slower than the ZR1, so the GT500 must be about 6.7 to 6.8 seconds 0-100 mph, and should trap the 1/4 mile around 129-130 mph (closer in acceleration to the ZR1 than the ZL1).

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The ZL1 was 11.1 seconds 0-100-0 based on Motor Trend's test, and that same car did 0-100 in 7.4 seconds and 1/4 in 11.5 @ 125 mph. Not bad numbers by any means. Motor Trend tested the C7 ZR1 0-100-0 in 10.4 seconds. And it did 0-100 in 6.6 seconds (and 11.0 @ 131.9 mph (!!) in the 1/4 mile).

Assuming the GT500 time of 10.6 seconds 0-100-0 is true, that's only 2 tenths slower than the ZR1, so the GT500 must be about 6.7 to 6.8 seconds 0-100 mph, and should trap the 1/4 mile around 129-130 mph (closer in acceleration to the ZR1 than the ZL1).

Let’s see what the zl1 1le does. The GT500 time is based off the near $100,000 track package, not the base.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Mountain

2020 GT500 0-100-0: 10.6

Comparisons 0-100-0:
2017 R8 V10 Plus: 10.0
2016 570S: 10.1
2017 NSX: 10.9
2016 GT S: 10.9
https://www.motortrend.com/news/the-...-0-100-0-test/

Laguna Seca corresponding lap times:
2017 R8 V10 Plus: 1:34.23
2018 ZL1 1LE: 1:34.30
2016 570S: 1:34.58
2016 GT S: 1:35.57
2017 NSX: 1:36.36
2016 GT350R: 1:36.11

Gives you an idea where the GT500 will be

The MotorTrend test numbers were achieved by adding the 0-100 time to the 100-0 time rather than an actual 0-100-0 test as was supposedly performed in the GT500. Add .4 to the Motor Trend results for the time it takes to move your foot from gas to brake.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Let’s see what the zl1 1le does. The GT500 time is based off the near $100,000 track package, not the base.

ZLE is slower by 2 tenths in the 1/4 vs. the ZL1 and probably brakes a bit quicker, so it's probably about a wash.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

The MotorTrend test numbers were achieved by adding the 0-100 time to the 100-0 time rather than an actual 0-100-0 test as was supposedly performed in the GT500. Add .4 to the Motor Trend results for the time it takes to move your foot from gas to brake.

Oh really? That should be very interesting if true. As I stated a few posts above, the ZR1 achieved 10.4 seconds using MT's method, which would make the GT500 as fast or faster given similar test methods (accounting for moving the foot to the brake during the test) if the GT500 time was a continuous 0-100-0 test, rather than the two separate events added together.

[Mountain]

You are right. When I first read the article a bit ago, I thought it said they did go through the lengths to properly test 0-100-0...

Thing is, then, how did Ford arrive at 10.6?

Theoretically, you could left-foot brake or pre-position your right foot to reduce the “time it takes to go from gas to brake” to almost nil.

Thanks, Ford, for more uncertainty. Without knowing Fords test method, it’s still a wide assumption.