GM needs to step up

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by 85IROC

ok i have a 2000 5.3 silverado and a 85 iroc-z 383tpi stroker with 475 hp an a 89RS 305 and 97RS 3.8 and my toys is 68 long wheel base 3/4 ton 4+4 350 and a 69 short wheel base 396 stroker smallblock with 540hp at the crank and my wife has a 05 cavalier we are chevy to the bone. but where iam going with this is gm is way behind in the pony car war. chrystler will have the challenger out before gm can even decide what to do with the head lights. and ford will pobably have a new body style for the mustang before gm gets the camaro on the road. if you look at the camaro it looks like a flipped over rebuilt cadalliac.yes the camaro will have a litte more horse then the challenger or mustang. but i think the body style of the challenger blows the mustang and camaro away. if gm does not step up fast camaro will not last long. the sound clip of the camaro sounds like crap. the sound clip of the challenger sounds bad a@#! LIKE A TRUE MUSCLE CAR i can not stand ford but there car sounds good to. i dont what to buy a camaro that coast $35.000 dollars that i have to put another 10k in it to make it look and sound good. gm plz dont let us down.THE BOWTIE BANDIT

I agree with him....more or less dont know were he got the caddy thing from and other than the interior and the possbile weight thing the challenger is an amazing machine, I think the camaro sould have the same headlights like the one that was in the test video for the ss platform and adopt the concept headlights for the lower trim levels

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

I agree with him....more or less dont know were he got the caddy thing from and other than the interior and the possbile weight thing the challenger is an amazing machine, I think the camaro sould have the same headlights like the one that was in the test video for the ss platform and adopt the concept headlights for the lower trim levels

So both of you can buy Challengers if that's what you like. That's why there are different makes and models, no one car appeals to everyone.
Clyde

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by 85IROC

first off the camaro was based off the cadalliac that you did not mention. I do love the camaro but i'm disappointed in gm i've seen the challenger on the web and it just appeals to me more than the camaro.Also i've heard the Camaro is going to base priced competetive to the Mustang but the ss is going to be selling for 35k. I still think they are behind the game and yes when they do finally make it to the showroom floor they will be bad a** I'm just voicing my opinion and i am a big gm fan but i just feel they need to hurry up i know the saying you can't rush perfection I just wanted to see someone elses opinion on it Thanks

And just which Cadillac was it based off of? I'm not aware of a Cadillac on the Zeta chassis yet.
Clyde

[Omega94]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

And just which Cadillac was it based off of? I'm not aware of a Cadillac on the Zeta chassis yet.
Clyde

If I didn't know any better...I bet he was talking about the new Cadillac CTS Coupe...but that's just off the top of my head...

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I'm not sure who told you those numbers...but take a Mustang and it's price. Add an IRS, a massively better interior, ~1.5 times the power, and add $1-$1000 to the pricetag. There's your Camaro. Not sure where 35 grand came from.

as for price, if the ss is going to be 500 hp I think is going to be over 35k, I mean get real I believe it when you show me an american muscle car that came stock at 500 hp and over for under 35k, the ss camaro sould stay 400-450 hp, the 08 303 hp ss impala is $29.880 and the base corvette is $47.950, a car over 500 horses below 35 grand= horseshi*

[Omega94]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

as for price, if the ss is going to be 500 hp I think is going to be over 35k, I mean get real I believe it when you show me an american muscle car that came stock at 500 hp and over for under 35k, the ss camaro sould stay 400-450 hp

Ok...granted...there probably hasn't been any car with 500+ HP for less than 35k...however...he didn't specify which V8 he was talking about AND most educated guesses have put the top-level, 500+ HP Camaro at $39K-$42K (somewhere in that facinity...forgive me if that's wrong)...one thing that people constantly do is ASSUME that the top V8 will be the SS. Can we stop that? No one has implied an answer to that question...and no one has CONFIRMED it. That's the kicker...there's been no confirmation...only speculation.

And WHY would you want the top-level V8 to have only 400 - 450 HP?!? Unless you were saying the SS will be the base level V8. But I don't think that's what you were saying...

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Omega94

Ok...granted...there probably hasn't been any car with 500+ HP for less than 35k...however...he didn't specify which V8 he was talking about AND most educated guesses have put the top-level, 500+ HP Camaro at $39K-$42K (somewhere in that facinity...forgive me if that's wrong)...one thing that people constantly do is ASSUME that the top V8 will be the SS. Can we stop that? No one has implied an answer to that question...and no one has CONFIRMED it. That's the kicker...there's been no confirmation...only speculation.

And WHY would you want the top-level V8 to have only 400 - 450 HP?!? Unless you were saying the SS will be the base level V8. But I don't think that's what you were saying...

hmm how to put this........ if the ss/zo6 was over 500hp it would'nt be in the same pony class as the stang and Challengers, it would be in the same class as the vettes,vipers,KR, etc, leaving the rest and the dust, stangs, challengers

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

hmm how to put this........ if the ss/zo6 was over 500hp it would'nt be in the same pony class as the stang and Challengers, it would be in the same class as the vettes,vipers,KR, etc, leaving the rest and the dust, stangs, challengers

I can see what you mean by this statement but with talk of a larger Hemi in the MOPAR catalog, I can imagine they may try to showhorn something bigger/better into SRT8 spec' cars. That would be make an open door for GM to put something like the alleged replacement 6.2 (LS8) into the top of the line car to compete.

I'm with Clyde on both his posts. If you aren't happy with the car, cry about it somewhere else. A huge percentage of this community is eager and happy with how the car is developing, so take your hate of the car to an SRT8 forum.

JMHO...

[Omega94]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

hmm how to put this........ if the ss/zo6 was over 500hp it would'nt be in the same pony class as the stang and Challengers, it would be in the same class as the vettes,vipers,KR, etc, leaving the rest and the dust, stangs, challengers

Mustang GT500 = 500 hp

"Top-level" V8 Camaro = 500 hp

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by radz282003

I can see what you mean by this statement but with talk of a larger Hemi in the MOPAR catalog, I can imagine they may try to showhorn something bigger/better into SRT8 spec' cars. That would be make an open door for GM to put something like the alleged replacement 6.2 (LS8) into the top of the line car to compete.

I'm with Clyde on both his posts. If you aren't happy with the car, cry about it somewhere else. A huge percentage of this community is eager and happy with how the car is developing, so take your hate of the car to an SRT8 forum.

JMHO...

never hated the camaro, the camaro is a beautiful machine I love it, but prefer the challenger, did'nt know about the new stangs specs, hmm I guess the simple fact that the srt8 is 425 hp is because its a hemi.. a thirsty beast is it not, but me I love the hemi but I think any faster and it would'nt meat the fuel efficiency requirements, But I say the hell with rules, I gutting my engine and removing that damn speed limiter/ecu and repalce it with something better

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

never hated the camaro, the camaro is a beautiful machine I love it, but prefer the challenger, did'nt know about the new stangs specs, hmm I guess the simple fact that the srt8 is 425 hp is because its a hemi.. a thirsty beast is it not, but me I love the hemi but I think any faster and it would'nt meat the fuel efficiency requirements, But I say the hell with rules, I gutting my engine and removing that damn speed limiter/ecu and repalce it with something better

Kudos to you It is a nice machine, I agee. I like the way you think too

[joes3rdcamaro82/91/2010]

Originally Posted by 85IROC

ok i have a 2000 5.3 silverado and a 85 iroc-z 383tpi stroker with 475 hp an a 89RS 305 and 97RS 3.8 and my toys is 68 long wheel base 3/4 ton 4+4 350 and a 69 short wheel base 396 stroker smallblock with 540hp at the crank and my wife has a 05 cavalier we are chevy to the bone. but where iam going with this is gm is way behind in the pony car war. chrystler will have the challenger out before gm can even decide what to do with the head lights. and ford will pobably have a new body style for the mustang before gm gets the camaro on the road. if you look at the camaro it looks like a flipped over rebuilt cadalliac.yes the camaro will have a litte more horse then the challenger or mustang. but i think the body style of the challenger blows the mustang and camaro away. if gm does not step up fast camaro will not last long. the sound clip of the camaro sounds like crap. the sound clip of the challenger sounds bad a@#! LIKE A TRUE MUSCLE CAR i can not stand ford but there car sounds good to. i dont what to buy a camaro that coast $35.000 dollars that i have to put another 10k in it to make it look and sound good. gm plz dont let us down.THE BOWTIE BANDIT

If you don't like it great. But pleeze go some where else with your B.S.!! Don't try and ruin our day brother. Go buy you a challenger, and I will see you on the strip, at least for a few seconds! Oh yea don't forget to buy a gas can.

[The_Blur]

Don't worry. Be happy with your upcoming Camaro. It will be amazing.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

hmm how to put this........ if the ss/zo6 was over 500hp it would'nt be in the same pony class as the stang and Challengers, it would be in the same class as the vettes,vipers,KR, etc, leaving the rest and the dust, stangs, challengers

500hp not in the pony / stang class?

What do you call the Mustang Shelby GT500?

Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 8 Base Engine Size: 5.4 liters
Base Engine Type: V8 Horsepower: 500 hp
Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm Torque: 480 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4500 rpm

SS with 500hp plus is simply matching existing competition. Just be prepared to pay like a GT500 too.