01-16-2024, 05:17 PM | #29 |
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Yes but not enough to justify what they actually do with the $3,000 a year I'm paying before it starts to decrease.
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01-16-2024, 07:48 PM | #30 | |
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https://www.autoblog.com/2022/10/22/...e-collectible/ Batteries only get cheaper as technology advances, it already has over the last 3 decades. By the time an EV needs a battery replacement there's a strong chance the battery cost will be cheaper than today AND even if it seems expensive to you now, let's say its $10-15K, if the cost of the used vehicle is low enough to offset that price then you're not really paying any more than any other used car and since EVs have very few parts that actually wear out, that's the only expensive cost you really have to worry about. A gasoline engine will wear out far quicker than an EV motor given similar circumstances along with MANY other replaceable parts that will also wear out and need replacing along the way. |
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01-16-2024, 08:19 PM | #31 |
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The problem is the no serviceability of the car, not the mechanical or electric issues.
When the manufacturer doesn't sell parts, and you have to source totaled cars, that's an issue. Chevy will sell you an engine or a ECU. Tesla doesn't sell key parts. Same business model as Apple. As long as you swipe the card and don't ask it's ok. |
01-16-2024, 08:45 PM | #32 |
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01-17-2024, 09:21 AM | #33 |
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I pay 1k for the Camaro, 1k for my wife Silverado (which California also considers an industrial vehicle and taxes me extra on) and 1k on my Chevrolet Trax.
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01-17-2024, 09:32 AM | #34 |
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I pay $80 per year for my 23 and 24 Camaros. My older Camaros are $20-$30 per year.
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01-17-2024, 09:41 AM | #35 | |
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No issues charging it in the cold. This is my first winter with it, but fact of the matter is, many many people in this area have had Teslas through multiple winters. I would also point out that Teslas are even more popular in Canada than in the US. Go figure. There is no doubt that I will not see all of the 262 miles driving it in the cold. There is also no doubt that I won’t need even half of it, so no worries on my part. It’s also true that all of my gas cars get lower mileage in winter because of fuel blend differences in the winter plus heating losses. Not a big deal because I can always find a gas station. Likewise, with the Tesla, I can always find my garage.
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01-17-2024, 09:47 AM | #36 |
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Would still like to know where Mr. Greenpeace JBones smogs that modified RS3 in California lolllllllllllll
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01-17-2024, 09:50 AM | #37 | |
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I don’t have the state by state breakdown in front of me yet, but typically, Tennessee has a pretty high sales rate of EVs. Nissan is located there and employees buy a lot of Nissan Leaf and Ariya.
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01-17-2024, 10:29 AM | #38 |
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If they ever get EV's to charge in the same time it takes to fill up an ICE at a gas station, I might be interested in buying one. The range claims on many are just flat out lies. Taking one onto a track for a 1/2 hour session is a no go. If i thought there was anything to this global warming hoaxology, I might get one too.
EV's just arent capable of doing what I want a car to do and we've reached the summit as far as ICE emissions are concerned so I'll stick with ICE until the government forces me not to. |
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01-17-2024, 10:49 AM | #40 | |
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Today the EVs with more than 60 days supply are:
For the sake of comparison, Camaro has 72 days in inventory, Corvette has 21 days in inventory, Mustang has 87 days in inventory. There are a few nuances here. Several EVs aren’t in my data because they are part of a broader nameplate and the companies have not split out the EV from the ICE / Hybrids. For example Hyundai Kona (ICE, Hybrid, and EV available). Kona as a brand has 32 days inventory but we can’t split out what’s EV and what’s not. Same for Ford F150 (69) and Kia Niro (50). Now, the real reason I laugh at the “EV’s are sitting on dealer lots” videos is that the best selling EVs are Tesla, of course (more than 50% of all EVs sold), Rivian, Lucid, and Fisker. One interesting reason they don’t have a lot of inventory sitting on dealer lots…THEY DON’T HAVE DEALERS. Gotta love the internet. EVs don’t sell because they’re sitting on dealer lots when the fact is most EVs sell without dealers. You make a very good point about not seeing chargers where you live. The northern Midwest states (Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, etc) are very sparse in terms of EV charging infrastructure. Even with Tesla, which has the most extensive network, you can look at the map and see that they have not really worked to add infrastructure there yet. If I lived in any of those states I sure as hell wouldn’t consider owning an EV.
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https://youtu.be/9Pu9046wX9g?si=SnkjX-A2HBK7gvXA It’s very likely that EVs don’t do what YOU need them to do…yet. And for that reason you should not buy one. And you’ll have that choice for a long time to come. Options will be fewer and fewer as time goes on, but more because of OEMs changing their portfolios to be more competitive and profitable, not so much because of government. Most of the OEMs that made strong commitments to EV portfolios did so in 2018 and 2019. That was before the current administration.
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01-17-2024, 11:09 AM | #42 |
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My issue with EVs is not the EV itself, but that the government is shoving them down our throats with legislation, incentives, tax credits, carbon credits, gas guzzler taxes, parking incentives, etc., while never mentioning or downplaying the severe environmental damage caused by their production, the disposal issue, no net "carbon" advantage until way down the road, the sometimes crazy tire consumption and pollution of these heavy vehicles, or the future road damage caused by the extra weight bearing down on the nations roads.
If Elon simply brought them to market, and let the people decide to buy or not, we would have a much less divisive discussion. But because the government is doing as above, EV's are politicized. The EV is intimately associated with a leftist green agenda and the authoritarian politics adjacent to that issue. EV's seem like good second cars for city and suburban dwellers, to cut down on noise and pollution in their areas. But I won't buy one. |
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