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Sturgill_SS · 03-08-2018, 04:02 PM

following this thread. Praying I don't have the same problem when I tune and dyno mine. Good luck man

13SSCamaro · 03-08-2018, 04:23 PM

It's been awhile since I had to do a compression test, completly forgot about doing it at WOT. Mine was cold, turned over about 5 times and got that reading. I will do a WOT one tomorrow to see if it's different.

Also about your worry with the oil. Just drain some into a clean jug with a funnel so you can reuse it

go_go_gadget88 · 03-10-2018, 10:36 PM

Small update. I was able to rule out that this was a dyno issue in any way. My tuner snapped a pic for me today. He had a 2013 M6 car come in with headers, cai, and a TSP stage 2 cam with stock heads

That car has me beat EVERYWHERE in the curve, and really pulls away once the revs come up. Peak was 484/487. I am the lower of both curves. Interesting this car peaks just before 5900rpm though. I would have guessed a bit higher.

Also note that this car has torque swings in the exact same spots as mine. So that really might just be the way this mustang dyno loads the car up.

Either way, it definitely appears my set up has a lot more potential than it's showing. Just gotta find my restriction.

13SSCamaro · 03-10-2018, 11:05 PM

That is one happy dyno, that torque is quite high, hes got nearly 50lbs more Tq than my setup with a stage 3 cam. Which cam did he go with?

WHAMMO · 03-11-2018, 12:51 AM

That is one trashed up dyno and no hes not getting 490rwtq. Go somewhere else. 5900 peak..LOLL not even close. Should peak at 6400-6500 with stage 2, at least.

Heres the dyno sheet directly from TSP site their old and new stage 2.

Bretts · 03-11-2018, 03:03 PM

where the torque swings.... sounds and looks like the dyno is nfg

zz430camaro · 03-11-2018, 03:13 PM

There is something wrong with that dyno. The accelerometer that takes measurements must be F'd up or something. How a tuner/dyno operator could look at those torque curves and think that is normal is beyond me, kinda sucks but atleast you know your shit is not abnormal.

sixty9fordkiller · 03-14-2018, 02:25 PM

any update, gadget?

go_go_gadget88 · 03-14-2018, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sixty9fordkiller

any update, gadget?

Nothing major yet. I checked the rest of the cylinders and all of them are pretty much the same. Only deviates 1-2 PSI in either direction. So not helpful other than letting me know I don't have like a dead cylinder or anything..but wasn't expecting that or it wouldn't run well I imagine.

Have been gathering a few things. Getting ready to pull the timing cover and do a visual inspection first. I guess if the cam is not noticeably off, it'll be time to learn how to degree one.

Hope to possibly start working on it tomorrow evening, actually. I will update if I find anything abnormal.

go_go_gadget88 · 03-14-2018, 03:46 PM

Also, even if there is a dyno issue causing weird numbers, aren't they mostly just a tuning tool anyhow? I trust the car is safe to drive, regardless of RWHP numbers.

That said, while he's been tuning for a long time, the dyno is somewhat recent. So, I haven't seen a whole lot of similar things coming off of it to compare to.

And the next closest dyno that I know of is like 300 miles away. So not like I can pop over there real quick to see the numbers/curve elsewhere

zz430camaro · 03-14-2018, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by go_go_gadget88

Also, even if there is a dyno issue causing weird numbers, aren't they mostly just a tuning tool anyhow? I trust the car is safe to drive, regardless of RWHP numbers.

That said, while he's been tuning for a long time, the dyno is somewhat recent. So, I haven't seen a whole lot of similar things coming off of it to compare to.

And the next closest dyno that I know of is like 300 miles away. So not like I can pop over there real quick to see the numbers/curve elsewhere

Yes, just as long as the fuel air mixture is correct and the timing is ok (meaning there is no knock from too much timing) it is fine. Hell some great tuners dont even need a dyno, they just do it driving and data logging. Its just nice to know how you shit stacks up to everyone else.

christianchevell · 03-16-2018, 09:33 AM

Just to put it out there my great tuners dyno of my stage three TSP cam years ago show unsmoothed to show problem areas as should be.... with correct SAE correction factor and remote weather station on a mustang dyno tuned with HP tuning...just for comparison...

He tunes very well, no timing pulled etc and two electrical engineering degrees, the car was a 13 m-6 with dual mode CAI with scoop and SP headers and hfc..... so yes a happy dyno as a tuning tool...not so good.

13SSCamaro · 03-16-2018, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by christianchevell

Just to put it out there my great tuners dyno of my stage three TSP cam years ago show unsmoothed to show problem areas as should be.... with correct SAE correction factor and remote weather station on a mustang dyno tuned with HP tuning...just for comparison...

He tunes very well, no timing pulled etc and two electrical engineering degrees, the car was a 13 m-6 with dual mode CAI with scoop and SP headers and hfc..... so yes a happy dyno as a tuning tool...not so good.

I see your mods in the sig, what kind of power are you making now? What made you change to all that?

frankwjr · 03-16-2018, 04:24 PM

The Wall.

03-08-2018, 04:02 PM	#211
Sturgill_SS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Independence, KY Posts: 518	following this thread. Praying I don't have the same problem when I tune and dyno mine. Good luck man __________________ F35 Cam / LOD X-1 Manifold / SLP CAI / LS7 Lifters / 3.91 Gears / Hooker Blackheart Exhaust / TSP Headers / SLP Underdrive Pulley / MGW STS / Trunnions and all that other fun stuff....

03-08-2018, 04:23 PM	#212
13SSCamaro Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: South Florida Posts: 254	It's been awhile since I had to do a compression test, completly forgot about doing it at WOT. Mine was cold, turned over about 5 times and got that reading. I will do a WOT one tomorrow to see if it's different. Also about your worry with the oil. Just drain some into a clean jug with a funnel so you can reuse it __________________ 2013 SS M6, TSP Stage 3 231/246 cam kit, TSP Trunion upgrade, Cold Air Inductions CAI, VMAX PTB, TSP 1 7/8 Long tube headers and high flow cats, Corsa Xtreme ZL1 Catback exhaust, Elite E2-X Catch can, Trick Flow Gen-X 255 heads milled 0.025 and valve job, GPI rod mod and ported intake, ID850 injectors,ZL1 fuel pump, Flex sensor and E-85, Mantic 9000 and 1LE 3.91 diff 512rwhp/462rwtq

03-10-2018, 10:36 PM	#213
go_go_gadget88 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS ABM 6M Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Kansas Posts: 617	Small update. I was able to rule out that this was a dyno issue in any way. My tuner snapped a pic for me today. He had a 2013 M6 car come in with headers, cai, and a TSP stage 2 cam with stock heads That car has me beat EVERYWHERE in the curve, and really pulls away once the revs come up. Peak was 484/487. I am the lower of both curves. Interesting this car peaks just before 5900rpm though. I would have guessed a bit higher. Also note that this car has torque swings in the exact same spots as mine. So that really might just be the way this mustang dyno loads the car up. Either way, it definitely appears my set up has a lot more potential than it's showing. Just gotta find my restriction. __________________ 2010 ABM 2SS/RS LS3 6 Speed -- Rotofab CAI \| Speed Engineering 1 7/8" Longtubes w/ cat Delete \| Magnaflow competition catback \| TSP 231/246 cam\| TSP/PAC .660" Spring Kit \| TSP CNC Ported Heads \| Bo White PTB \| GPI Ported/RM Intake \| 3.91's \| BC Catch Can \| MGW Shifter \| BMR 1" Drop Springs \| BMR Trailing arms/Toe Rods/Rear UCA Bushings \| Pegasus Subframe Mounts

03-10-2018, 11:05 PM	#214
13SSCamaro Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: South Florida Posts: 254	That is one happy dyno, that torque is quite high, hes got nearly 50lbs more Tq than my setup with a stage 3 cam. Which cam did he go with? __________________ 2013 SS M6, TSP Stage 3 231/246 cam kit, TSP Trunion upgrade, Cold Air Inductions CAI, VMAX PTB, TSP 1 7/8 Long tube headers and high flow cats, Corsa Xtreme ZL1 Catback exhaust, Elite E2-X Catch can, Trick Flow Gen-X 255 heads milled 0.025 and valve job, GPI rod mod and ported intake, ID850 injectors,ZL1 fuel pump, Flex sensor and E-85, Mantic 9000 and 1LE 3.91 diff 512rwhp/462rwtq

03-11-2018, 12:51 AM	#215
WHAMMO Drives: 13' 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,640	That is one trashed up dyno and no hes not getting 490rwtq. Go somewhere else. 5900 peak..LOLL not even close. Should peak at 6400-6500 with stage 2, at least. Heres the dyno sheet directly from TSP site their old and new stage 2. Attached Images __________________ 13' 1LE Old setup: TSP 231-236/Tick 660/.105 PR, UDP, SW LT 2'' & HFC, stock NPP & H pipe, VR-DRX CAI, air scoop, Goertz1 manifold, 102mm BBK, 26" Toyo DRs, Forgestars R17x10 & F18x8, rear seat delete, remote Pat G tune Autocal, 7400 limiter, Spec Mini Twin. 91oct. 11.90@122.3, 0-60ft 2.0 / 11.99@123.6, 0-60ft 2.1 DA+819 ...519RWHP SAE Solid roller SBE LS3, FED, LLSR, 91oct, 605rwhp N/A. Tuned by Pat G. Build by me.

03-11-2018, 03:03 PM	#216
Bretts SS Drives: 2015 2ss rs Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Alberta Posts: 911 View My Garage	where the torque swings.... sounds and looks like the dyno is nfg __________________ CCW sp16a track set, BTR stage 3 cam and kooks longtubes with high flow catsLocks@7.5 degrees castor and radius arm inserts, Ride Tech 2coilovers JDP upper control arm bushings BMR lower knuckle bushing Bo White throttle body3.91 gears Spohn del-sphere toe link and trailing arms Prothane subframe bushings

03-11-2018, 03:13 PM	#217
zz430camaro Drives: 2015 1LE Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,485	There is something wrong with that dyno. The accelerometer that takes measurements must be F'd up or something. How a tuner/dyno operator could look at those torque curves and think that is normal is beyond me, kinda sucks but atleast you know your shit is not abnormal. Last edited by zz430camaro; 03-11-2018 at 06:12 PM.

03-14-2018, 02:25 PM	#218
sixty9fordkiller Donkey Dick Cam Camaro Drives: 2010 2SS/RS LS3 M6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,998	any update, gadget? __________________ Bone Stock

03-14-2018, 03:46 PM	#220
go_go_gadget88 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS ABM 6M Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Kansas Posts: 617	Also, even if there is a dyno issue causing weird numbers, aren't they mostly just a tuning tool anyhow? I trust the car is safe to drive, regardless of RWHP numbers. That said, while he's been tuning for a long time, the dyno is somewhat recent. So, I haven't seen a whole lot of similar things coming off of it to compare to. And the next closest dyno that I know of is like 300 miles away. So not like I can pop over there real quick to see the numbers/curve elsewhere __________________ 2010 ABM 2SS/RS LS3 6 Speed -- Rotofab CAI \| Speed Engineering 1 7/8" Longtubes w/ cat Delete \| Magnaflow competition catback \| TSP 231/246 cam\| TSP/PAC .660" Spring Kit \| TSP CNC Ported Heads \| Bo White PTB \| GPI Ported/RM Intake \| 3.91's \| BC Catch Can \| MGW Shifter \| BMR 1" Drop Springs \| BMR Trailing arms/Toe Rods/Rear UCA Bushings \| Pegasus Subframe Mounts

03-16-2018, 09:33 AM	#222
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	Just to put it out there my great tuners dyno of my stage three TSP cam years ago show unsmoothed to show problem areas as should be.... with correct SAE correction factor and remote weather station on a mustang dyno tuned with HP tuning...just for comparison... He tunes very well, no timing pulled etc and two electrical engineering degrees, the car was a 13 m-6 with dual mode CAI with scoop and SP headers and hfc..... so yes a happy dyno as a tuning tool...not so good. __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

03-16-2018, 04:24 PM	#224
frankwjr Drives: 2010 SS 2SS M6 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Smithsburg, Md. Posts: 2,445	The Wall. __________________ 2010 SS 2SS M6 - Tune by RDP dynoSteve!(Woot) - Daily Driver - *150K!* - All work by me...