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Old 10-18-2018, 03:26 PM   #183
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Well, yeah? You seemed to be making a joke out of something that is actually at least a slight concern to me. I can't even remotely drive my car @35 in 6th gear even with the gears. Obviously some of that is the cam profile though, but it really didn't like it 100% stock. That's awesome you could pick up 25 going with the mid runner fast! Do you have a dyno that shows your car with the ported rod mod, vs going to that fast? Or even one of your stock intake vs the Ported/Rod mod? Also, I am guessing that a lighter car like a vette would not be bothered quite as bad on the bottom end either, just because it's a lot less weight to lug around?

And I agree the LOD seems a lot like a tunnel ram. Which means I question how I would like it RIGHT NOW compared to a ported/rod mod intake, but I imagine it would definitely be the no brainier choice if I end up sticking a procharger on this thing at some point! But as of now that's an unknown, and will likely be NA for a while still. Totally looking forward to your results getting to run this thing on a dyno and track!

And I didn't stick a cam in a stock car, I had headers and an intake first! Then did cam, ported TB, and ported heads at the same time, knowing I would get gears soon after. I can't speak to a v6, but I am telling you, without the gears this cammed car would DECELERATE at WOT at 65mph in 6th if it was going uphill. I usually downshift to pass too, so it's not like it was the end of the world. And for the comments about low end loss not realistic....I'm not saying there should be NONE. I would give up 15 @2500rpm for 20+ @6500, for sure. But I wouldn't want to lose 40 to get 10, if that makes sense? Look at some of the intakes on that shootout I posted. Some of them would probably be great if I wanted to get another 1/10th off my time, but horrible for something that's almost all street
Go-go we are getting to the same page now. Please dont take any comment I make as being just directed at you. This is more for just general discussion and try and get people to think a bit more outside of the box. Look how far the 5th gen camaro has came in the last 3 years with 1/4 mile results. This doesnt happen because people are accidentally putting the right combo together. Do you have a ram air on your car yet? If not thats your next best purchase or fabricate you one. Not sure why your car is lugging so bad uphill no offense it sounds like you may need a little more tuning for drive-ability(reread your post and for sure with stock gears at 65 i totally get it would slow down at 65 uphill at lower rpm your cam still has the same valve timing events as 6500rpm so the cam is inefficient as all get out at 1200 RPM) . Plus 4.10s with a 28" tire is still not much gear in the Camaro. 4.56 would be ideal for most average builds and the car would flat move out easier and drive much nicer all around. Unfortunately that would be a 5 thousand dollar adventure lol
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:20 PM   #184
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Go-go we are getting to the same page now. Please dont take any comment I make as being just directed at you. This is more for just general discussion and try and get people to think a bit more outside of the box. Look how far the 5th gen camaro has came in the last 3 years with 1/4 mile results. This doesnt happen because people are accidentally putting the right combo together. Do you have a ram air on your car yet? If not thats your next best purchase or fabricate you one. Not sure why your car is lugging so bad uphill no offense it sounds like you may need a little more tuning for drive-ability(reread your post and for sure with stock gears at 65 i totally get it would slow down at 65 uphill at lower rpm your cam still has the same valve timing events as 6500rpm so the cam is inefficient as all get out at 1200 RPM) . Plus 4.10s with a 28" tire is still not much gear in the Camaro. 4.56 would be ideal for most average builds and the car would flat move out easier and drive much nicer all around. Unfortunately that would be a 5 thousand dollar adventure lol

Nah you're fine man. I'm all for out of the box thinking and civil discussion.

I don't have Ram Air, I have a rotofab. I have wondered how much of a gain there would be switching to like a vararam. I don't like how the MAF(IAT) sensor sits right above the radiator hose on this one. Wish it was moved a bit. That said, I like the looks of the rotofab. And while I like to haul ass as much as anyone (I rip on this car more than anything I've ever had), it's also as much a show car as it is a go car lol. So if it's only a few HP difference, I'll probably stick with what is on there. If it's a big difference, maybe I need to look into making the switch.

I am sure this car could use a lot more gear than the 3.91s in it now. However, part of me wants to go with a PD blower at some point, and I would think anything more would just equate to more tire spin. That would sure solve my butt dyno not being happy with the low end in this car though

You didn't answer in your reply, but do you happen to have a dyno showing the difference between stock intake and a ported rod mod one on your car? Or one between the ported stocker and the mid runner fast?
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Old 10-18-2018, 04:31 PM   #185
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GO-Go i do have 2 dynos but respectively they are on different machines. i used both dynos in the past and they were very close to each other. I will be strapping down to the one I use all the time soon and will post a 3 intake comparison. I do not have a stock intake dyno. I do have a couple stock LS3 intakes but this is getting costly very quick. It would likely take me about 5-6 hours to test 3 intakes on the same day and possibly a bit longer to fairly touch up the tune for each one. I currently have stock rocker arms back on the car and I will need to swap them back to the 1.85s to give apples to apples comparison.
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Old 10-18-2018, 09:20 PM   #186
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Go_Go out of curiosity why are you stuck on having acceleration in 6th gear at 65mph? An auto trans wouldn't stay in OD when you accelerate, why should you. You simply downshift to pass. I do get what you are saying about losing down low, you just have to adapt your driving a little to accommodate for the shift in power to the higher RPM's. I was at the same situation you were in and struggled with what intake to get. I recently went with the GPI rod modded, ported and heat shield added intake and I love it. The mid range and the part throttle acceleration really picked up, but I also added the Trick Flow heads too. There is a very in depth test of the rod modded intake vs others, I will see if i can find it and post it. That is what helped me make my decision. I am going to wait till more people post their results before I decide on the LOD or a FAST as I do want to go Twin Turbo in the future.
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Especially look at post#42
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This conversation was on my mind while driving last night - so I intentionally did some 6th gear accelerations from low rpms on grades, like sub 55mph speed. Even from 1500rpm with essentially a max effort without valve reliefs cam I could accelerate (albeit not impressively) up grades, while having my wife and son in the car. I think GoGo's experience were based on having the stock 3.45 rear, which makes 6th gear INCREDIBLY long.

13SSCamaro - same experience here with the rod-mod, the midrange hit around 4000-4500 is STRONG. Mine runs out past 7000rpm very respectably as well. The part throttle is wicked as well, it feels like I have a throttle controller set to max on the car, it's just SUPER responsive, always eager to stand right up.
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GO-Go i do have 2 dynos but respectively they are on different machines. i used both dynos in the past and they were very close to each other. I will be strapping down to the one I use all the time soon and will post a 3 intake comparison. I do not have a stock intake dyno. I do have a couple stock LS3 intakes but this is getting costly very quick. It would likely take me about 5-6 hours to test 3 intakes on the same day and possibly a bit longer to fairly touch up the tune for each one. I currently have stock rocker arms back on the car and I will need to swap them back to the 1.85s to give apples to apples comparison.
Right on , I just thought I would ask. I am super excited for you to be able to compare these intakes for sure. I am sure that adds up fast, so to that I say thank you for doing this to get us some real world data! Very much appreciated man!!



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Go_Go out of curiosity why are you stuck on having acceleration in 6th gear at 65mph? An auto trans wouldn't stay in OD when you accelerate, why should you. You simply downshift to pass. I do get what you are saying about losing down low, you just have to adapt your driving a little to accommodate for the shift in power to the higher RPM's. I was at the same situation you were in and struggled with what intake to get. I recently went with the GPI rod modded, ported and heat shield added intake and I love it. The mid range and the part throttle acceleration really picked up, but I also added the Trick Flow heads too. There is a very in depth test of the rod modded intake vs others, I will see if i can find it and post it. That is what helped me make my decision. I am going to wait till more people post their results before I decide on the LOD or a FAST as I do want to go Twin Turbo in the future.

I'm really not, and I realize it's easy to get around this with a downshift. More just that it was the perfect example to showcase how little power they have down in that range. I know it's a give and take and that some adaptation is expected. I just want to know HOW MUCH either of these may or may not lose down low (and what they gain anywhere as well) before spending money I should not on more go fast parts I would be super bummed to plunk down the money for something like the x1, only to find out it lead to a less enjoyable driving experience than my stock intake, for the style of driving I do and the rest of my car's current setup.

Sounds like you are another happy customer with a ported/rod mod stock one! But the heads were probably a lot of the difference as well lol. Really wish there were more tests where that was the only change. I will look into the link you provided and do some reading, maybe it has what I am looking for. Thank you!
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Yall doing it wrong. Go big cam, big stall, big intake, more gearing

I may have tried this intake out if I didn't have my current setup (and it wasn't so expensive). You can see my dyno in the dyno thread, i lost a lot of tq with my intake setup but I'm peaking hp so far into the powerband (in 7000s) that I'm having to spin it more to get the most use. Really interested to see how a few more cars compare
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Well I chatted with Rafael this afternoon at LOD and I will be ordering my intake this weekend. Gonna get the raw aluminum finish so my paint guy can paint match it to my RJT car color. It's going to look great with everything else under the hood that is paint matched. Then it will be on down to my engine builder/tuner for install and tune, then we will see. Hope to have it installed and tuned by mid November, or sooner if I can work it out. So stay tuned guys! My Camaro is a daily so I will put it to the test for all you skeptics out there. lol.. Cheers
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Well I chatted with Rafael this afternoon at LOD and I will be ordering my intake this weekend. Gonna get the raw aluminum finish so my paint guy can paint match it to my RJT car color. It's going to look great with everything else under the hood that is paint matched. Then it will be on down to my engine builder/tuner for install and tune, then we will see. Hope to have it installed and tuned by mid November, or sooner if I can work it out. So stay tuned guys! My Camaro is a daily so I will put it to the test for all you skeptics out there. lol.. Cheers
Awesome man. It will be great to see it compared to your last dyno graph. Do you have any track times with your current set up yet to compare to as well?
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Awesome man. It will be great to see it compared to your last dyno graph. Do you have any track times with your current set up yet to compare to as well?
Hey there, no track times yet as I wanted to put a few thousand miles on the build before I took her over to the track, but also it has been extremely hot over here and my track is in Orlando and it's hotter over there. But cooler weather is coming in the next couple of weeks so I plan on going over. I want to see if the car will run the low 11's like he said it would, just need to get a good 60ft time he said. The car is really quick and she gets it done really fast. She ran 12.68 with just the CAI, ported TB, LT's exhaust and tune at 365rwhp, and now I'm at 460rwhp with the cam and supporting mods. We'll see. And that 12.68 was on street tires.
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