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So Cal Camaro · 01-06-2012, 12:01 AM

This Camaro has been bounced around like a hot potato, been sold at 2 Barrett Jackson auctions, owner tried to Auction in Palm Springs, but couldn't get enough so no sale. Currently listed here http://www.carweek.com/dealer_listin...scapeHeader=No

Anyone an expert on these Pace Cars? Does this Camaro look legit? I'm guessing something has to be wrong with this one, since it's been bounced around so much...Thanks for anyone that can help...

Buffnshine · 01-06-2012, 12:24 AM

Like to have one of those in my garage someday

GrnMchin · 01-06-2012, 11:06 AM

It really depends on many things, an I am no expert, but a friend of mine bought a 67 z28 #53 or 63 (cant remember) of 602 total build. He bought it a BJ for around 35K, the car was all # matching, but had some small things that didn't quite make it super desirable for most high-end collectors. Such as not a lot of documented history, some paint flaws, some of the motor accessories parts were not original and such. He held on to it for a few years then sold it for 40+k, because he had enjoyed it and wanted something different. This car could be in the same boat, but hard to say with out doing some detailed investigation and talking with prior owners. Keep in mind that 3600 plus verts were made and only around 400-500 hard tops.

67 Convertible · 01-06-2012, 11:12 AM

Some experts here who can tell you in a minute if it's real or not:
www.camaros.net

So Cal Camaro · 01-06-2012, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67 Convertible

Some experts here who can tell you in a minute if it's real or not:
www.camaros.net

Thanks, I'll go on there and post it up to see. I'm going to see it tonight if they stay open late enough.

usa1camaro1969 · 01-06-2012, 05:28 PM

I believe BJackson will refuse to allow a fake across their block. Sold my Z11 a few years ago and wish I never did. She's on the east coast now.

Fightinfire921 · 01-06-2012, 05:29 PM

The only numbers seen are on a not so good picture of the cowl tag. That's not good.
Lot's of good info and advice here too.

http://www.camaros.org/index.shtml

usa1camaro1969 · 01-06-2012, 05:48 PM

This is one of those deals where it needs to be inspected. Just by looking at the underbody pics it's missing the convertible x-brace which is replaceable but what else is gone would be the thought.

So Cal Camaro · 01-06-2012, 08:29 PM

Thanks all for your input, I will definitely find someone knowledgeable to inspect the car after I see it in person, as sometimes pictures are not true reflection of car.

GrnMchin · 01-06-2012, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa1camaro1969

I believe BJackson will refuse to allow a fake across their block. Sold my Z11 a few years ago and wish I never did. She's on the east coast now.

That is correct to a point if you are trying to pass it of as one then they will refuse, but do allow high quality tributes to be sold as a tribute. They generally are the ones sold in the first few days if you get selected. Not just any car will make the cut to even be in the auction and the closer to the weekend of the auctions the higher quality the car.

I also suspect that the car is missing details and why it is made it's rounds.

Fightinfire921 · 01-06-2012, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by usa1camaro1969

I believe BJackson will refuse to allow a fake across their block.

SamHouseIII · 01-06-2012, 10:26 PM

While this is a very nice car, I can not see it being worth so much, I have seen nicer ones for less. Look at the underbody shots, you can see areas where no restoration has been done, other areas you see it has been done. look up in the frame holes. Trans cross member rusting. Look at the pass side pipe coming off the header, welded way up too high and looks cheap, other side as well, oil pan dented, oil filter has oil on the bottom of it. Now I know that this car is well over 40 plus years old and will not be perfect, but for 60K, I would get a new ZL1.

So Cal Camaro · 01-07-2012, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamHouseIII

While this is a very nice car, I can not see it being worth so much, I have seen nicer ones for less. Look at the underbody shots, you can see areas where no restoration has been done, other areas you see it has been done. look up in the frame holes. Trans cross member rusting. Look at the pass side pipe coming off the header, welded way up too high and looks cheap, other side as well, oil pan dented, oil filter has oil on the bottom of it. Now I know that this car is well over 40 plus years old and will not be perfect, but for 60K, I would get a new ZL1.

Thanks, I really appreciate your observations, as I didn't notice the things you are pointing out. When you see something you want, sometimes you are not looking objectively at the potential negatives. The guy who owns it actually raised the price $5k after I called to ask about the car. So, I'm thinking this might be a pass, but I will go see it in person...

usa1camaro1969 · 01-10-2012, 12:14 PM

I think your guy may have it up on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-...item43ac71c406
The nicest version I've actually seen the guy had it in one of those big plastic bubbles with a bunch of dessicant bags. 350-car and it still had the paper tags around the springs and the exhaust looked new.
These cars aren't seen that often anymore, and most won't actually drive them.

That was mine, and I still have the 30th Anniversary car.

01-06-2012, 12:01 AM	#1
So Cal Camaro So Cal Race Team Drives: 2013 Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sunny So Cal Posts: 3,584	Anyone know about 69 Pace Cars This Camaro has been bounced around like a hot potato, been sold at 2 Barrett Jackson auctions, owner tried to Auction in Palm Springs, but couldn't get enough so no sale. Currently listed here http://www.carweek.com/dealer_listin...scapeHeader=No Anyone an expert on these Pace Cars? Does this Camaro look legit? I'm guessing something has to be wrong with this one, since it's been bounced around so much...Thanks for anyone that can help... __________________

01-06-2012, 12:24 AM	#2
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01-06-2012, 11:06 AM	#3
GrnMchin Not easy being Green Drives: 67 Nova SS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,256	It really depends on many things, an I am no expert, but a friend of mine bought a 67 z28 #53 or 63 (cant remember) of 602 total build. He bought it a BJ for around 35K, the car was all # matching, but had some small things that didn't quite make it super desirable for most high-end collectors. Such as not a lot of documented history, some paint flaws, some of the motor accessories parts were not original and such. He held on to it for a few years then sold it for 40+k, because he had enjoyed it and wanted something different. This car could be in the same boat, but hard to say with out doing some detailed investigation and talking with prior owners. Keep in mind that 3600 plus verts were made and only around 400-500 hard tops. __________________ The 68 Camaro build project

01-06-2012, 11:12 AM	#4
67 Convertible Drives: 67 Camaro Convertible Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MA Posts: 1,721	Some experts here who can tell you in a minute if it's real or not: www.camaros.net __________________ _____________________________________________ 2LT/RS RJT, Blk Rally Stripes, Beige Interior, Sunroof Placed order at dealer 4/24/09 1100 - 4/28/09 2000 - 5/01/09 2500 - 5/05/09 3000 - 5/05/09 3300 - 5/30/09 3400 - 6/05/09 3800 - 6/18/09 4000 - 6/18/09 4B00 - 6/18/09 4200 - 6/22/09 5000 - 7/01/09 6000 - 7/01/09 It's Home!! 0000 - 7/14/11 Traded in with 24,000 miles. Currently 5th Gen less

01-06-2012, 05:28 PM	#6
usa1camaro1969 Back on the dino-juice Drives: '10 LS + a few more Join Date: May 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 1,641	I believe BJackson will refuse to allow a fake across their block. Sold my Z11 a few years ago and wish I never did. She's on the east coast now. __________________ I wake up in the morning and I piss excellence. -Ricky Bobby America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt, 1936

01-06-2012, 05:29 PM	#7
Fightinfire921 Drives: GMC Acadia, Chevrolet Camaro Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Winter Springs FL Posts: 1,657 View My Garage	The only numbers seen are on a not so good picture of the cowl tag. That's not good. Lot's of good info and advice here too. http://www.camaros.org/index.shtml Last edited by Fightinfire921; 01-06-2012 at 10:12 PM.

01-06-2012, 05:48 PM	#8
usa1camaro1969 Back on the dino-juice Drives: '10 LS + a few more Join Date: May 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 1,641	This is one of those deals where it needs to be inspected. Just by looking at the underbody pics it's missing the convertible x-brace which is replaceable but what else is gone would be the thought. __________________ I wake up in the morning and I piss excellence. -Ricky Bobby America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt, 1936

01-06-2012, 08:29 PM	#9
So Cal Camaro So Cal Race Team Drives: 2013 Camaro Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sunny So Cal Posts: 3,584	Thanks all for your input, I will definitely find someone knowledgeable to inspect the car after I see it in person, as sometimes pictures are not true reflection of car. __________________

01-06-2012, 10:26 PM	#12
SamHouseIII I Carry! Drives: 2013 CRT ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Fletcher, Ok Posts: 2,722	While this is a very nice car, I can not see it being worth so much, I have seen nicer ones for less. Look at the underbody shots, you can see areas where no restoration has been done, other areas you see it has been done. look up in the frame holes. Trans cross member rusting. Look at the pass side pipe coming off the header, welded way up too high and looks cheap, other side as well, oil pan dented, oil filter has oil on the bottom of it. Now I know that this car is well over 40 plus years old and will not be perfect, but for 60K, I would get a new ZL1. __________________ I am a Modaholic!! Please Help!! Do Not feed my addicition....See build... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261540 From Oklahoma, Join us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/okcamaros/

01-10-2012, 12:14 PM	#14
usa1camaro1969 Back on the dino-juice Drives: '10 LS + a few more Join Date: May 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 1,641	I think your guy may have it up on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-...item43ac71c406 The nicest version I've actually seen the guy had it in one of those big plastic bubbles with a bunch of dessicant bags. 350-car and it still had the paper tags around the springs and the exhaust looked new. These cars aren't seen that often anymore, and most won't actually drive them. That was mine, and I still have the 30th Anniversary car. __________________ I wake up in the morning and I piss excellence. -Ricky Bobby America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed. -Eleanor Roosevelt, 1936 Last edited by usa1camaro1969; 01-10-2012 at 12:36 PM.

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