07-19-2010, 12:17 PM | #1 |
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Shifting into 1st VERY notchy with short throw
Want to see if anyone else is experiencing difficulty shifting into first. My scenario is this, I have a Barton Short Throw and when I am on the highway and have to slow down to a stop for a traffic light or any other time I am slowing down and going to throw it all the way down to 1st it requires A LOT of effort to get it into gear before the car comes to a complete stop. I mean I have to jam it up there and it is notchy on the way up. If I am at a dead stop it goes in with less effort but is still a bit notchy.
A secondary issue is the 1st to 2nd gear shift is still very notchy even after having had the Barton for 5-6 months and fast 1-2 shifts are sometimes missed because the stick gets "hung up" on the notch if I am not paying attention and slam it into the gear. 2-3 and 3-4, etc, etc, are fine and very smooth but the two scenarios I describe here have me considering either going back to the stock shifter or looking at replacing the entire assembly with an MGW. I am not blaming the Barton here but need to point out that I have an aftermarket shifter and I know lots of folks have good feedback on the Barton and I do for the most part as well. Thanks in advance for any insight....
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07-19-2010, 12:24 PM | #2 |
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That's pretty normal...
The syncros help to allow you to put the tranny in any gear regardless of vehicle speed but at higher speeds it don't want to go in to 1st, and you'll have to force it... Syncros can only compensate so much for speed.... I'm sure the short throw exaggerates the situation... Now having said that, it should go into first say if you are going slower than 20mph??? I think.... I was taught not to put it in first until the car is completely stopped.... so I'm not sure about the max speed you can shift to 1st.
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07-19-2010, 01:19 PM | #3 |
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sounds normal. Have you had a chance to see any videos Online as a reference?
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07-19-2010, 07:03 PM | #4 |
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Why are you doin' that?
In my experience with manual (what we used to call standard) transmissions, there is never a reason to down shift lower than second before coming to a near full stop. Give it a breather. Replacing brakes is easier and cheaper than
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07-19-2010, 07:28 PM | #5 |
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+1
That's what my dad said when he taught us to drive a manual.
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07-19-2010, 07:51 PM | #6 |
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I know this is one thing that MGW was saying he took into account. He went as short as he felt he could but not so short that this became an issue.
I think GTAHVIT hit the nail on the head .. Crowley
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07-19-2010, 08:06 PM | #7 | |
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I appreciate you looking out for me though.... I still have a concern about the 1-2 shift being so notchy and having to really slam it back under hard acceleration to make sure I don't miss the shift.
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07-19-2010, 08:08 PM | #8 |
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robert,
What I described is with the understanding that the clutch is in until the car comes to a stop... Not a down shift.
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07-19-2010, 08:09 PM | #9 |
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How long have you had this installed and did it do this from the beginning?
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07-20-2010, 04:49 AM | #10 | |
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Had it about six months and has been doing it all along, just figured it would eventually go away but obviously not and I am just getting around to figuring out what I want to do about it.
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07-20-2010, 08:55 AM | #11 |
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i've never ever downshifted to 1st gear on stopping...sounds scary...my last car wouldnt even let me
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07-20-2010, 10:07 AM | #12 |
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Mine is stock again, had to take my other out but it is the same for both stock and aftermarket. I do not go to 1st until stopped, no need to force it.
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07-20-2010, 12:21 PM | #13 |
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Maybe I am not clear on this, I AM NOT PUTTING IT IN 1ST AND POPPING THE CLUTCH OUT... I'm not into launching over the steering wheel, just making the observation that it is a bitch to get it into the gate when above a certain speed when coming to a stop. This being my first manual I am not totally up to speed on the behavior of a manual under different conditions. Now knowing it is by design that it is hard to get the shifter into 1st under those conditions I am not concerned about it. Like I said earlier, the notchy shift from 1-2 is still a concern.
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07-20-2010, 12:37 PM | #14 |
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IMO aftermarket shifters shouldn't be more difficult to shift than the OEM. Generally aftermarket parts are built with better parts, and it's normally the install where the problem lays. Personally I like the OEM shifter, and feel they have come a long way in the last 40 years ...
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