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Jsafe17 · 10-04-2015, 06:05 PM

So yesterday I had the chance to run most of the day with a few stockish ZL1s and just playing around they didn't pull away from me if at all.. I was kinda surprised (pleasantly)

I am full exhaust no cats, vararam, Hurst shifter and 3.91s all tuned.. bone stock LS3
doesn't seem right to me.. anyone else have this experience..

camarosspower · 10-04-2015, 07:07 PM

Yes sir I pulled on them when I was just bolt ons. I haven't raced one now that I'm cammed

LEADfoot927 · 10-04-2015, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by camarosspower

Yes sir I pulled on them when I was just bolt ons. I haven't raced one now that I'm cammed

Unless one of your bolt-ons was nitrous, I see that win being the lack of your opponents driver skill, not the ability of the car. Assuming you had headers its roughly 400whp vs 500whp for the Zl1.

2010reddevil · 10-05-2015, 12:12 AM

I agree because I've raced the Caddy version and they still pull me top end, not as bad, but they still get the win.

Jsafe17 · 10-05-2015, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LEADfoot927

Unless one of your bolt-ons was nitrous, I see that win being the lack of your opponents driver skill, not the ability of the car. Assuming you had headers its roughly 400whp vs 500whp for the Zl1.

If I had a 100 shot I would have crushed them.. I guess it's the 300-400 lbs less, higher red line and much more aggressive gear combination. I didn't pull away but I sure didn't fall behind ether.. still it didn't seam like it should have been that close but it was over and over again he didn't pull on me??

Jsafe17 · 10-05-2015, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 2010reddevil

I agree because I've raced the Caddy version and they still pull me top end, not as bad, but they still get the win.

3.91s?

krisprz2010camaross · 10-05-2015, 02:15 AM

I was surprised when I beat a convertible zl1 with maybe just an exhaust from a roll(I think around 20 or 30 to around 80 90ish before I had to turn right while he went straight) and not by much though. Yes, he was definitely flooring it, I could hear the exhaust screaming. Still would love to have one! Lol. oh and this was on the streets of Mexico of course...

camarosspower · 10-05-2015, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LEADfoot927

Unless one of your bolt-ons was nitrous, I see that win being the lack of your opponents driver skill, not the ability of the car. Assuming you had headers its roughly 400whp vs 500whp for the Zl1.

Say what you want but I know what happened and no, no nitrous here. It wasn't just 1 z its been like 4. Since I'm no professional driver can't say it was driver skill

matt55 · 10-05-2015, 07:45 AM

Same day, track and +90° Temps
Bolt on SS (413 dynojet) vs cai zl1
112 vs 116 mph traps .
The mph should give you a idea of how a zl1 *should* pull away from you .

2010reddevil · 10-05-2015, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jsafe17

3.91s?

No, 556bhp vs my roughly 465ish. They simply have more power. Don't get me wrong, I am very impressed with how my car pulls with bolt-ons, but I know I will need more to be able to stick side by side or walk the LSA equipped cars.

matt55 · 10-05-2015, 08:11 AM

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camarosspower · 10-05-2015, 08:16 AM

Shoulda coulda woulda. Didn't happen though. I'm not saying they won't but they haven't. Look at the fast list for both cars the zl1 is as low as 113mph and a bolt on as high as 119mph. Every car is different.

Jsafe17 · 10-05-2015, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by matt55

Same day, track and +90° Temps
Bolt on SS (413 dynojet) vs cai zl1
112 vs 116 mph traps .
The mph should give you a idea of how a zl1 *should* pull away from you .

That's way to close of a race. if I had a ZL1 I would be bummed out knowing that a SS with a few extras and good driver could nose me out a decent percentage of the time.
I don't even know if the dude I was running was stock or not. I will assume so though.

matt55 · 10-06-2015, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jsafe17

That's way to close of a race. if I had a ZL1 I would be bummed out knowing that a SS with a few extras and good driver could nose me out a decent percentage of the time.
I don't even know if the dude I was running was stock or not. I will assume so though.

4 mph is 4 car lengths +/-
Both cars were getting 2.0-2.2 60's (we both sucked)
The Zl1/CAI ran the best of 12.6 @116 iirc , by the 4th run it fell to 12.8 @113 mph .
My SS ran constant 111-112 mph , best 13.0@112 mph .
So if you look at the Zl1 SLOWEST heat soaked run and the FASTEST bolt on SS run it was close.

*D.A. would have dropped the times down by .3 and 2-3 more mph*

The guy did sell his car soon after , so did I lol.

10-04-2015, 06:05 PM	#1
Jsafe17 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS 6spd LS3 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon Posts: 581	ZL1 vs LS3 bolt on So yesterday I had the chance to run most of the day with a few stockish ZL1s and just playing around they didn't pull away from me if at all.. I was kinda surprised (pleasantly) I am full exhaust no cats, vararam, Hurst shifter and 3.91s all tuned.. bone stock LS3 doesn't seem right to me.. anyone else have this experience..

10-05-2015, 12:12 AM	#4
2010reddevil Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Victory Red 6M Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Gulf Coast, TX Posts: 1,424	I agree because I've raced the Caddy version and they still pull me top end, not as bad, but they still get the win. __________________ 2011 2SS 6A Red Jewel Metallic, Vararam Tune CAI, Magnaflow 3" Competition c/b, Speed Engineering 1-7/8 LT's, Circle D 5C, M/T 275/40R20 S/S, HPTuners tune by Ryan@GPI 12.3 @ 112 ACM as of 12/22/19 Gone on 12/28/19 R I P 2010 2SS 6M Victory Red/Black (old ride) CAI intake, Speed Engineering 1 7/8" LT's, X4 base tune, Flowmaster Outlaw axle-back. 12.6 @ 115 SAR as of 9/19/15 Gone but never forgotten.

10-05-2015, 02:15 AM	#7
krisprz2010camaross Drives: 2010 Camaro 2ss/Rs Transformers Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Yorba Linda, California Posts: 1,564	I was surprised when I beat a convertible zl1 with maybe just an exhaust from a roll(I think around 20 or 30 to around 80 90ish before I had to turn right while he went straight) and not by much though. Yes, he was definitely flooring it, I could hear the exhaust screaming. Still would love to have one! Lol. oh and this was on the streets of Mexico of course... __________________ YouTube:Krisprz garage Insta:kris__perez & krisprz_garage LS3 conversion Vararam intake(tune model) Kooks LT headers & cats delete Corsa ZL1 3" exhaust RedBarn Racing Tune CMS Stage 3 Cam AFR CNC ported heads MSD Spark plug wires LNC-2000 Launch controller NGK TR6 Spark Plugs 1le strut tower brace-TPIS spacers Nick Williams 102mm throttle body Fast lsxr 102 intake manifold Slp 25% UDP Katech Tensioner Pulley Circle D 3600-3700 multi disk Stall GM 3.91 gears DDS carbon fiber driveshaft ZL1 fuel pump & injectors Flex fuel sensor(91/E85) https://wheelwell.com/kris-perez

10-05-2015, 07:45 AM	#9
matt55 Drives: CTS-V Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 1,069	Same day, track and +90° Temps Bolt on SS (413 dynojet) vs cai zl1 112 vs 116 mph traps . The mph should give you a idea of how a zl1 should pull away from you . __________________ 10.8@130.8 610 whp, CAI, 2.5, E85, id850 on street tires.

10-05-2015, 08:11 AM	#11
matt55 Drives: CTS-V Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 1,069	..... __________________ 10.8@130.8 610 whp, CAI, 2.5, E85, id850 on street tires.

10-04-2015, 07:07 PM	#2
camarosspower Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 2,383	Yes sir I pulled on them when I was just bolt ons. I haven't raced one now that I'm cammed

10-05-2015, 08:16 AM	#12
camarosspower Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Port Arthur, Tx Posts: 2,383	Shoulda coulda woulda. Didn't happen though. I'm not saying they won't but they haven't. Look at the fast list for both cars the zl1 is as low as 113mph and a bolt on as high as 119mph. Every car is different. Last edited by camarosspower; 10-06-2015 at 04:52 AM.