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Chomorro · 03-11-2020, 09:12 AM

This is my first v8 rwd car and it started raining here pretty hard. Took the 6 speed camaro SS at about 15mph in second and gave it just a tiny bit of gas to get on the freeway and the rear slid out like I was on ice (ca no ice).

I almost did a uturn on the freeway on ramp and I was able to save it. I'm just curious, if both rear wheels are spinning equally then traction control doesnt kick in?

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GAD · 03-11-2020, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chomorro

This is my first v8 rwd car and it started raining here pretty hard. Took the 6 speed camaro SS at about 15mph in second and gave it just a tiny bit of gas to get on the freeway and the rear slid out like I was on ice (ca no ice).

I almost did a uturn on the freeway on ramp and I was able to save it. I'm just curious, if both rear wheels are spinning equally then traction control doesnt kick in?

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How good are your tires? My tires are bad but it’s nothing for me to spin a donut in a parking lot with traction control on.

Moto-Mojo · 03-11-2020, 09:44 AM

I thought this is where Stabili-Trak took over. Sort of senses vehicle yaw and applies the brakes to 'help' prevent more fishtail. But once momentum has started in that direction, it'll likely overpower the braking action of stabili-trak, the way I see it. Especially on a wet surface.

Greenhornet2 · 03-11-2020, 09:53 AM

Traction control should kick on but it still allows the tires to spin slightly and it takes a moment to kick in. Under a certain speed stability control won't activate. My advice, take in in a big parking lot when it is raining and turn everything off and learn your car and how to control it.

ChibiBlackSheep · 03-11-2020, 10:01 AM

Traction control doesn't care about hydroplaning, which sounds like is what happened to you.

Good tires are the best thing you can do for traction, being safe with the throttle is the next. The nannies can only do so much.

Chomorro · 03-11-2020, 10:11 AM

My tires arent new but not completely bald either. There wasnt much visible rain on the ground at this point so I dont think it was hydro. I was also barely accelerating because it was raining.

I had a 450whp subaru before this. That AWD really makes a difference, never had to worry about this kind of thing lol.

Have to be very careful in the rain with this bad boy it seems.

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Bigdumogre · 03-11-2020, 10:40 AM

I have brand new tires on my car and at times when it’s wet out it wants to go sideways a little bit. Never had it happen at any higher speeds fortunately only at lower speeds speeding up.

InFiD3ViL · 03-11-2020, 11:46 AM

I can spin the tires in my car at will, wet or dry. But I find its stability is actually quite amazing. As long as I do not disable the nannies, she is well behaved in the wet, as long as I am. Also, tires make a huge difference in wet driving.

The only way my car fishtails in the rain is if I am giving it too much throttle for the conditions. Just saying. You may need to adjust your driving and get a little more conservative until you have more experience with this car.

SSEssence · 03-11-2020, 12:05 PM

Traction control will let the car slip for a little bit before it catches depending on speed and throttle input.

pyroguy · 03-11-2020, 12:56 PM

The only time I've had real issues similar to that was soon after I got my car. The reason for the issue was that the inside of the tire was worn to almost bald while the outside of the tire still looked good. The reason was that the previous owner had lowering springs on the car and had put the stock springs back on when he sold it to me. However, he hadn't aligned the car and so the inside of the tires wore out bad because the alignment was off the chart worn out. My guess as you somewhat indicated, is that the tires aren't new and potentially there's a worn side to them possibly from a bad alignment and you're going to have this issue until you buy some new tires.

Vegas Bound · 03-11-2020, 12:59 PM

If you still have the P Zeros, they suck on wet surfaces.

CamaroBarb · 03-11-2020, 01:01 PM

Mine will do circles in the wet and nothing happens to stop it.

Chomorro · 03-11-2020, 01:09 PM

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Mine will do circles in the wet and nothing happens to stop it.

With traction control on right?

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MarkNJ · 03-11-2020, 01:13 PM

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Have to be very careful in the rain with this bad boy it seems.

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You drive yours in the rain!?

03-11-2020, 09:12 AM	#1
Chomorro Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: San Diego Posts: 159	Traction control doesnt prevent fishtails? This is my first v8 rwd car and it started raining here pretty hard. Took the 6 speed camaro SS at about 15mph in second and gave it just a tiny bit of gas to get on the freeway and the rear slid out like I was on ice (ca no ice). I almost did a uturn on the freeway on ramp and I was able to save it. I'm just curious, if both rear wheels are spinning equally then traction control doesnt kick in? Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

03-11-2020, 09:44 AM	#3
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,973	I thought this is where Stabili-Trak took over. Sort of senses vehicle yaw and applies the brakes to 'help' prevent more fishtail. But once momentum has started in that direction, it'll likely overpower the braking action of stabili-trak, the way I see it. Especially on a wet surface. __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

03-11-2020, 09:53 AM	#4
Greenhornet2 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS LS3 Whipple Join Date: May 2019 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,925	Traction control should kick on but it still allows the tires to spin slightly and it takes a moment to kick in. Under a certain speed stability control won't activate. My advice, take in in a big parking lot when it is raining and turn everything off and learn your car and how to control it. __________________ Whipple 2.9 CAI ID1050x injectors ZL1 Pump JRE FPCM JMS Voltage booster JRE Rough Idle blower cam BTR .660 springs CHE trunnion kit 1 7/8 Speed Engineering Borla Atak JRE scoop 1.5" lowering springs BMR trailing arms and toe links Cradle inserts 704WHP 603WTQ 93 octane

03-11-2020, 10:01 AM	#5
ChibiBlackSheep Drives: 2012 2SS/RS, 1968 SS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southeast, PA Posts: 2,093	Traction control doesn't care about hydroplaning, which sounds like is what happened to you. Good tires are the best thing you can do for traction, being safe with the throttle is the next. The nannies can only do so much. __________________ LS3 Crate Engine Swap \| CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3 \| Stainless Power LT Headers \| Z28 Intake \| Borla S-Type Exhaust \| FTI Triple-Disc Billet 3200 Stall 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS \| 1968 Camaro SS \| 2020 Cadillac CT5 Premium Luxury \| 2021 Spark LS

03-11-2020, 10:40 AM	#7
Bigdumogre Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: New York Posts: 1,434	I have brand new tires on my car and at times when it’s wet out it wants to go sideways a little bit. Never had it happen at any higher speeds fortunately only at lower speeds speeding up. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS - CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3, Texas speed CNC heads, FTI billet triple disc converter, K&N cai, Katech ported TB, GPI Ported/rod modded manifold, Texas speed 1 7/8 headers, HFC, Flowmaster 2 chambers with x pipe, Mishimoto CC, MSD wires, Roto fab washer relocation, tru cool 40k trans cooler, apex scoop, Pedders extreme coil overs and much more!!

03-11-2020, 10:11 AM	#6
Chomorro Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: San Diego Posts: 159	My tires arent new but not completely bald either. There wasnt much visible rain on the ground at this point so I dont think it was hydro. I was also barely accelerating because it was raining. I had a 450whp subaru before this. That AWD really makes a difference, never had to worry about this kind of thing lol. Have to be very careful in the rain with this bad boy it seems. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

03-11-2020, 11:46 AM	#8
InFiD3ViL Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS LS3 Swapped A6 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 4,575	I can spin the tires in my car at will, wet or dry. But I find its stability is actually quite amazing. As long as I do not disable the nannies, she is well behaved in the wet, as long as I am. Also, tires make a huge difference in wet driving. The only way my car fishtails in the rain is if I am giving it too much throttle for the conditions. Just saying. You may need to adjust your driving and get a little more conservative until you have more experience with this car. __________________ 2010 CGM Camaro 2SS LS3 Swapped A6 - GPI LS3 SS1 .647/.638, (224/237, 112 +4, 7º overlap) on CamMotion 8620 core, BTR Platinum .660" Dual Spring kit w/titanium retainers, CHE bronze trunnion upgrade, stock heads milled @ .015, Melling HV 10296 oil pump, TSP 1-7/8" long tube headers (W/Catless Off-road Pipes), Corsa Xtreme 3" Catback, GPI Ported/Rod Mod Intake, Stage 2 Ported Throttle Body, Vararam OTR CAI, Mike Norris Gen 2 catch can + GM 1LE clean side separator, 160º thermostat - Megan Racing adjustable coilovers (lowered 1.75"), MRR M017 10/11" wheels-Tuned by Ryan @ GPI

03-11-2020, 12:05 PM	#9
SSEssence Instagram: Sangstah Drives: 2019 Camaro 1LE Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Buena Park, CA. Posts: 2,803 View My Garage	Traction control will let the car slip for a little bit before it catches depending on speed and throttle input. __________________ 2019 SS 1LE - "CaSSandra" 2014 SS - "AleSSandra - Sold" 94 Z28 - Sold Follow the build https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=612717

03-11-2020, 12:56 PM	#10
pyroguy Started#gottalovethatblue Drives: ABM #831 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: TN Posts: 6,918 View My Garage	The only time I've had real issues similar to that was soon after I got my car. The reason for the issue was that the inside of the tire was worn to almost bald while the outside of the tire still looked good. The reason was that the previous owner had lowering springs on the car and had put the stock springs back on when he sold it to me. However, he hadn't aligned the car and so the inside of the tires wore out bad because the alignment was off the chart worn out. My guess as you somewhat indicated, is that the tires aren't new and potentially there's a worn side to them possibly from a bad alignment and you're going to have this issue until you buy some new tires. __________________ '10 Camaro 2SS/RS \| Aqua Blue #831 of 3,903 \| Silver Stripes Check out my build thread

03-11-2020, 12:59 PM	#11
Vegas Bound Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Sparkly Red One Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Hospitality State Posts: 2,558	If you still have the P Zeros, they suck on wet surfaces.

03-11-2020, 01:01 PM	#12
CamaroBarb Banned Drives: cheby Camaro Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: usa Posts: 575	Mine will do circles in the wet and nothing happens to stop it.