12-21-2017, 03:28 PM | #701 |
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Still beating this horse I see.............
DA just about everywhere is awesome. Now and the months to come will be when a ton of people run better times then before. People comparing times that are run through the year when DA is much higher to what the 18's are running right now in amazing weather. With that said... I know alot of the FORD FAN based guys are hanging on to the 1 run made by EVAN with his FORD DELIVERED 18 while most of the others running 18's are running 12.0-12.5 and trapping 114-119 in this brisk time of year... Reality.... this time of year is when the A8 guys run their better times too. 11.9-12.2's and trap 113-119 as well. Not in GM delivered cars either. Time and weather will show us how well the 18 does compared to the 6th gen. through the year and higher DA. What you will more then likely see is 12.3-12.6@113-116 on average stock. You will see that the 18 did not better the SCAT or 6th gen it just caught up. As I said before there are already videos out of 18's racing 6th gens. The races can go either way. Edmunds deal should have been AUTO to AUTO for it to be fair. Most M6's I have seen are slower at the track stock vs stock to the A8 and usually mph 1-3 mph slower depending on the drivers skills. SIDENOTE: one of the reasons FORD mustang out sold the camaro and trans am back in the late 90's and early 2000's was because they flooded the rental car market with them. Ford guys back in the myself included were pissed that ford put out such weak shit aka the 2v and 4v.......ford reply "We dont have to make the cars fast because they still sell".
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12-21-2017, 03:30 PM | #702 | |
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Plus, fanboys have been waiting on this new GT for a while just holding their breath, praying, believing it was a game changer. And, again. It isn't. It's basically a refresh that didn't move the needle much. If any. And that wasn't what the fanboys were wanting. They were thinking Ford was making an all new, revolutionary GT. And guess what? Failed again. Yes, it might, depending on driver mode squeak out a SS. Bravo. They get a golf clap. Well, Chevy is one year away from dropping the refresh. If they add even the slightest HP bump, it's over just as quick as it started for the new Mustang.
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12-21-2017, 03:40 PM | #703 |
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So the takeaway is both cars are upper 12's stock? Camaro SS and Mustang GT both 12.6+ cars. Fast lists on both forums have been invalidated.
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12-21-2017, 03:40 PM | #704 | |
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I said "drag mode must really be meant for DR's. If your tires are chirping, you're not getting 100% traction". Drag mode is so aggressive, you should have DR's. That was my point.
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12-21-2017, 03:46 PM | #705 | |
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What evidence is there that the A10 provides a substantial increase in performance? It did little if anything for the F150. has it been put in any vehicle that shows a gain from that alone? |
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12-21-2017, 03:47 PM | #706 | |
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This is basically the same chassis with some minor (or new in the case of magneride) suspension bits and a new DI engine and better 10 speed transmission that allows the coyote to stay in it's powerband. The biggest thing I have noticed more than anything this thread is camaro people (who seem to desperately need to have the faster) car dismissing valid 1/4 mile times. The Ford guys aren't saying anything about the mustang being faster...only that (so far) the 1/4 mile times being laid down are absolutely comparable to the camaro. Excuses so far: Rented dragstrip Cars must be stripped/not stock Mustang drivers are pro drivers Not all mustangs are capable..need special models Auto transmissions cant chirp 1-2 shift...again, not stock. Ford provided altered mustangs Etc. |
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12-21-2017, 03:54 PM | #707 |
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12-21-2017, 03:58 PM | #708 | |
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Just like the Buick 455 released for testing about .5 faster than any other stage 1. GNX same way. Don't forget about the SVT 5.4 beating the Vetter and then all of a sudden we find that the "testers" drop the tire pressure on the Vette, next test the SVT gets spanked.
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12-21-2017, 04:11 PM | #709 |
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I'm surprised that you of all people are still showing your face around here seeing as how all the shit you talked just blew up in your face. Need some salt for all those words you're eating now? LOL!! From the start I said this would happen in a H2H tested by a magazine. And just like now you tried twisting everything I said in some weird way just like you spent an entire day or so trying to spin the word "afford" and twist it to your meaning. I called it, you sat here arguing and arguing, and look what happened. And what pisses you off even more is that you wanted to throw it in all our faces if the GT beat the SS and you can't even do that because the A10 couldn't beat the M6. So what will happen when they test the A8 against the A10? LOL!! Do yourself a favor, before making yourself look worse than you already do, learn some humility. You'll have a lot less words to eat if you do ok mid 12s??
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12-21-2017, 04:18 PM | #710 | |
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Too funny. Coming from one of the slowest ZL1 drivers, that means a lot. Cheers. |
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12-21-2017, 04:23 PM | #711 |
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The whole tires argument just shows how bitter these guys are. If tires are to blame then way back when y'all (I'm lookin at you SS Friendly) started talking about what the GT would do you would have mentioned tires back then. In fact in one of my earliest posts on this subject I was the one who said the GT would get dumbed down because Ford would either give it weak suspension components or shitty tires. Yet you guys argued against that. And now that your plans to do a victory lap on here got foiled you all wanna bring up...tires, lol!! So all this time not one of you thought that tires on both cars might play a role in the GT coming in slower. If you did then it would have been a reason. Bringing it up now makes it an excuse. And you guys are full of excuses.
And remember when I said there was no way Ford would build a GT to outperform a higher up model in the same MY? Yet you guys talked on and on about how Ford doesn't care and Shelby owners care more about the experience of owning a GT350 and performance doesn't matter and all the typical nonsense in the world. So guess what. WRONG again! It does not handle anywhere close to even the non-R GT350, it is not faster in a straight line...yet that price is awfully close. The more and more time goes on the more and more this S550 seems like a loss. Quite honest, after all this, I'm starting to doubt that the GT500 is going to beat the ZL1s considering they don't get the auto trans. But we'll do that dance later. For now I'm just enjoying all the excuses and BS from the butthurt little trolls. You're trying soo hard... |
12-21-2017, 04:29 PM | #712 | |
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I'm going to show my age, back in the day I had as a DD a 440 dart, purple shaft 292 cam, fender well headers, Dana 4.10s (wanted 3.54) and I think G60 on widen police wheels. Many of my buds had 396s from mild to wild, usually with 4.10 to 4.88 and N50s. The Chevy BB made more HP period. Given a no-bog launch a 396 in a Nova with N50s was clearly superior to a 440 dart. Now 9 /10 I could still win in any throw down. I knew that I just had to ease it out of the hole and let the torque do the work. The 440's flat torque curve was just much easier to launch and to consistently launch. The 396 guys it was bog or blow the tires away. Same excuse time and time again. IMO, I don't own a Mustang, on street tires on the street, the patient driver with the flatter torque curve is going to win 9 out of 10 times. The flat torque curve just is far more forgiving. Nutshell, us plebs on the street are better off with an A8 SS which is 99.9% of were we live and play.. For me, my kid is tossing aroung a V6 1le VS the ecoboost with PP. He mainly does autox. So I really don't have a dog in the fight.
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12-21-2017, 04:30 PM | #713 | |
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Hasn't A10 ZL1 been high 10s stock now, or is that just an internet thing? 1 second off the pace is pretty good no?
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12-21-2017, 04:33 PM | #714 | |
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they are not off the lot cars! Last edited by TEEZYSS; 12-21-2017 at 04:48 PM. |
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