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Suskam · 03-23-2011, 02:04 PM

This doesn't sound good - I hope it's wrong...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42198926/ns/business-autos/

04Ram2500Hemi · 03-23-2011, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suskam

This doesn't sound good - I hope it's wrong...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42198926/ns/business-autos/

I read that earlier today and I'm still not sure what to think. I do know one thing though- your sig picture makes me sick! I still can't believe you had to go through that.

BackinBlackSS/RS · 03-23-2011, 02:17 PM

Sounds like a bunch of GM haters to me.

Blade · 03-23-2011, 02:20 PM

Damn Damn Damn

Scott@Bjorn3D · 03-23-2011, 02:22 PM

Does it really matter, the world comes to an end next year.

POWERFREAK · 03-23-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Sounds like a bunch of GM haters to me.

i would agree....BUT..."Smale's hand-picked North America president Ron Zarella championed the launch of the Pontiac Aztek, a dismal-selling SUV whose laughable styling brought it to a quick end."

hamr56 · 03-23-2011, 02:28 PM

Considering everything that is going on, I think that it is going to be tough for all car companies the next couple months.

EnfuegoZ28 · 03-23-2011, 02:32 PM

I really hope this article is wrong, but I have a feeling this idiot is gonna do more harm than good for GM.

Grandeos · 03-23-2011, 02:33 PM

This article is not far from the truth. You need a true "car guy" to understand the "car biz." If not, then the same old mistakes will be repeated. You have to know, understand, and appreciate history in order to learn from it.

toesuf94 · 03-23-2011, 02:39 PM

But, it is O.K. for Toyota, Mazda, Honda to offer government incentivised leases and artificially stimulated incentives to keep the plants open - been that way for years. Now GM does it and the world is ending. Sales are up and marketshare is at 21%...in a recession.

I wouldn't worry too much about GM...they are just playing the same game that everyone else has been playing for years - and being aggressive about it. The Cruze is a hit, so is the Equinox, Traverse, Silverado, Tahoe, Camaro, CTS...pretty much all of the recent products at GM are selling well against foreign competition...I would say that is a good thing.

electlatino · 03-23-2011, 02:44 PM

i don't know, sounds like a bunch of people complaining that GM offers good quality at a cheaper price. isn't that what the consumer wants?

granted, if quality starts coming into question, then yes, GM has a problem. but this article, while hinting at risks of poor quality, doesn't make any real claims that any quality has actually been lowered.

that being said, i have no brand loyalty whatsoever, nor do i care what country my car was made in. there are only two main reasons i went with my camaro and not a challenger, charger, mustang, viper, m3, audi, etc: (1) i could get the camaro exactly the way i wanted for exactly the price i was willing to pay. (2) multiple reviews of quality and performance were all awesome

so there you have it, price and quality.

Bourgui · 03-23-2011, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by electlatino

i don't know, sounds like a bunch of people complaining that GM offers good quality at a cheaper price. isn't that what the consumer wants?

granted, if quality starts coming into question, then yes, GM has a problem. but this article, while hinting at risks of poor quality, doesn't make any real claims that any quality has actually been lowered.

that being said, i have no brand loyalty whatsoever, nor do i care what country my car was made in. there are only two main reasons i went with my camaro and not a challenger, charger, mustang, viper, m3, audi, etc: (1) i could get the camaro exactly the way i wanted for exactly the price i was willing to pay. (2) multiple reviews of quality and performance were all awesome

so there you have it, price and quality.

What he said! Oh, and because the Camaro looks so damn hot!!!

Lauryn200 · 03-23-2011, 03:48 PM

And I just got off the phone with my son who I swayed into considering a Camaro before a Honda Accord coupe.

FenwickHockey65 · 03-23-2011, 03:52 PM

Pfft. Everyone's using incentives. Plus average transaction prices are up across the board. It's definitely not something you want to rely on, but not uncommon to use.

And Liddell left because he wanted to be CEO and wasn't given the position.

03-23-2011, 02:04 PM	#1
Suskam Drives: '11 Camaro/ '02 Grand Prix Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 636 View My Garage	GM headed backwards? This doesn't sound good - I hope it's wrong... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42198926/ns/business-autos/ __________________

03-23-2011, 02:20 PM	#4
Blade Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS BVM Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Charlotte Posts: 4,689 View My Garage	Damn Damn Damn __________________ Formerly owner of: 2012 2SS/RS Build Thread - Totaled by red light runner 2010 LT/RS Build Thread - Traded in for 2012 2SS 2007 Acura TSX 1992 Oldsmobile Achieva V6 1992 Mercury Sable

03-23-2011, 02:28 PM	#7
hamr56 Drives: 11 2SS/RS, 56 Chevy Bel Air 2DR HT Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: In front of the computer Posts: 180	Considering everything that is going on, I think that it is going to be tough for all car companies the next couple months. __________________

03-23-2011, 02:33 PM	#9
Grandeos Automotive Designer Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS (LS3) Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 832	This article is not far from the truth. You need a true "car guy" to understand the "car biz." If not, then the same old mistakes will be repeated. You have to know, understand, and appreciate history in order to learn from it. __________________ 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS LS3 (SIM/BLK)

03-23-2011, 02:39 PM	#10
toesuf94 Drives: THR #11 E-force supercharged Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 4,746	But, it is O.K. for Toyota, Mazda, Honda to offer government incentivised leases and artificially stimulated incentives to keep the plants open - been that way for years. Now GM does it and the world is ending. Sales are up and marketshare is at 21%...in a recession. I wouldn't worry too much about GM...they are just playing the same game that everyone else has been playing for years - and being aggressive about it. The Cruze is a hit, so is the Equinox, Traverse, Silverado, Tahoe, Camaro, CTS...pretty much all of the recent products at GM are selling well against foreign competition...I would say that is a good thing. __________________ Cars and women are both going to give you problems...but you can pay somebody else to fix your car!

03-23-2011, 02:17 PM	#3
BackinBlackSS/RS Go Blue!!!!! Drives: 2012 Cruze LT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 23,290	Sounds like a bunch of GM haters to me.

03-23-2011, 02:22 PM	#5
Scott@Bjorn3D Drives: Kami, 2013 2SS LS3 Luvin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eufaula, Alabama Posts: 6,427	Does it really matter, the world comes to an end next year.

03-23-2011, 02:32 PM	#8
EnfuegoZ28 Drives: 2000 GMC Sonoma Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: ATL, GA Posts: 75	I really hope this article is wrong, but I have a feeling this idiot is gonna do more harm than good for GM.

03-23-2011, 02:44 PM	#11
electlatino Drives: 2SS with RS and Ground Effects Join Date: May 2009 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 273	i don't know, sounds like a bunch of people complaining that GM offers good quality at a cheaper price. isn't that what the consumer wants? granted, if quality starts coming into question, then yes, GM has a problem. but this article, while hinting at risks of poor quality, doesn't make any real claims that any quality has actually been lowered. that being said, i have no brand loyalty whatsoever, nor do i care what country my car was made in. there are only two main reasons i went with my camaro and not a challenger, charger, mustang, viper, m3, audi, etc: (1) i could get the camaro exactly the way i wanted for exactly the price i was willing to pay. (2) multiple reviews of quality and performance were all awesome so there you have it, price and quality. __________________ JBA full system, RotoFab CAI and w/w relocated, ADM scoop, tune, NLP spoiler....more to come

03-23-2011, 03:48 PM	#13
Lauryn200 I Pity The Fool Drives: Jeep Wrangler '06 & VW GTI 09 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 875 View My Garage	And I just got off the phone with my son who I swayed into considering a Camaro before a Honda Accord coupe. __________________ ........"Is custom faded?" Jeep Wrangler 06 & VW GTI 09 "My Fast"-

03-23-2011, 03:52 PM	#14
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,371 View My Garage	Pfft. Everyone's using incentives. Plus average transaction prices are up across the board. It's definitely not something you want to rely on, but not uncommon to use. And Liddell left because he wanted to be CEO and wasn't given the position. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)

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