[mcsoul]

I really want track test numbers for the GT350TP, the GT350R is going to be a rare horse indeed.

[vtirocz]

I'm surprised the GT350R beat the ATS-V by nearly 6 seconds. That's huge!

I'd expect the '16 Camaro SS and ATS-V to put down similar lap times.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

I'm surprised the GT350R beat the ATS-V by nearly 6 seconds. That's huge!

I'd expect the '16 Camaro SS and ATS-V to put down similar lap times.

And that's why you can't compare the two. Yes in a straight line its close but let's be real about the purpose of the car. Track toy vs daily driver.

[KaBoom1701]

The GT350R is a cool car but these figures makes you appreciate the ZL1 that came out 4 years ago.....lol

[ChocoTaco369]

I don't get it. The GT350R is not a quarter mile car. The GT350R will decimate an SS around a real track.

The 5th Gen Z28 was tracked at a 12.4. So you're saying a GT350R is faster than a Z28 in a straight line? Is that your point OP?

Originally Posted by KaBoom1701

The GT350R is a cool car but these figures makes you appreciate the ZL1 that came out 4 years ago.....lol

The ZL1 by your logic makes the Z28 relatively pointless, then, too, right? I mean if you're going to be consistent.

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

I'm surprised the GT350R beat the ATS-V by nearly 6 seconds. That's huge!

I'd expect the '16 Camaro SS and ATS-V to put down similar lap times.

I expect the ATS-V to put down better times than the '16 SS, especially based on the reviews. The ATS-V is significantly faster in a straight line and I believe also brakes better.

If the GT350R is that much faster than the ATS-V on such a small track, it should handily crush the '16 SS. That big of a difference on a 2 minute track could amount to 20-30 seconds at the Ring.

[KaBoom1701]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

I don't get it. The GT350R is not a quarter mile car. The GT350R will decimate an SS around a real track.

The 5th Gen Z28 was tracked at a 12.4. So you're saying a GT350R is faster than a Z28 in a straight line? Is that your point OP?



The ZL1 by your logic makes the Z28 relatively pointless, then, too, right? I mean if you're going to be consistent.

What kind of jackass comment is that?

Have you seen the Z/28 lap times? The car kicks everyone ass around the track....

My point was that while the GT350R is a cool car it's still behind Chevy by about 3-4 years based on these performance results.

Oh, and let's not hope that an GT350R owner doesn't have to replace any of their CF rims due to curb rash......

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

I expect the ATS-V to put down better times than the '16 SS, especially based on the reviews. The ATS-V is significantly faster in a straight line and I believe also brakes better.

If the GT350R is that much faster than the ATS-V on such a small track, it should handily crush the '16 SS. That big of a difference on a 2 minute track could amount to 20-30 seconds at the Ring.

The ATS-V is not "significantly faster" in a straight line than a '16 SS and doesn't appear to be putting down better braking/handling #s:

ATS-V manual (this R&T article)
1/4 mile of 12.6 @114.7mph
0-120: 13.8s (highest speed they tested to in this article)
Braking 80-0: 194 ft.
Skidpad: 1.00g
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...-year/?slide=2

'16 Camaro SS (manual) also tested by Road and Track:
1/4 mile of 12.5 @113.4mph
0-120: 13.9s
Braking 80-0: 191 ft.
Skidpad: 0.99g

I'd be interested to see a road test comparison between the '16SS and ATS-V.

With that said, I agree the GT350R would be significantly faster than both on a road course.

[GTIanZ28]

Tell you what's going to be funny.

When the gen 6 zl1 comes out and beats all the Mustangs in all categories. Then in 2017 when the z28 comes out ..... Well who knows?

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by KaBoom1701

What kind of jackass comment is that?

Have you seen the Z/28 lap times? The car kicks everyone ass around the track....

My point was that while the GT350R is a cool car it's still behind Chevy by about 3-4 years based on these performance results.

Oh, and let's not hope that an GT350R owner doesn't have to replace any of their CF rims due to curb rash......

Guys like you drive me nuts. No objectivity.

Yes. I have seen the Z/28 lap times.

The GT350R is faster in a straight line than the Z28.

I don't see any times for the Z28 anywhere run at that same track. What we do know is - if you actually bothered to read the article, which you clearly didn't - the GT350R WON THE CONTEST and was named Road and Track Performance Car of 2016. It beat the Porsche and Mercedes, and crushed the ATS-V and Bentley. The ATS-V was lackluster to say the least, and in theory, it's faster than the 2016 Camaro SS. While the Viper, Z06 and Ferrari were outright faster, because the Mustang was so much easier to drive and control, the average person would be able to turn times much better than the other three due to its driving ease - pair that with the fact it's about the most affordable of all the cars tested, it stole the title.

We don't have "official" Nurburgring times yet, but the unofficial word is that it's faster than the Z28. Since it is faster in a straight line, lighter and has a motor more geared for a track with a dramatically large RPM range to run in, I would expect it to be, frankly.

So, I don't exactly get your point. The GT350R won R&T's contest, appears to be faster than the Z28 in both a straight line and around the track, and you're saying what exactly? It's behind Chevy, even though it's faster than Chevy? Or are you just cheerleading?

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

The ATS-V is not "significantly faster" in a straight line than a '16 SS and doesn't appear to be putting down better braking/handling #s:

ATS-V manual (this R&T article)
1/4 mile of 12.6 @114.7mph
0-120: 13.8s (highest speed they tested to in this article)
Braking 80-0: 194 ft.
Skidpad: 1.00g
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...-year/?slide=2

'16 Camaro SS (manual) also tested by Road and Track:
1/4 mile of 12.5 @113.4mph
0-120: 13.9s
Braking 80-0: 191 ft.
Skidpad: 0.99g

I'd be interested to see a road test comparison between the '16SS and ATS-V.

With that said, I agree the GT350R would be significantly faster than both on a road course.

That is a terrible time for the ATS-V. They only ran an 11.5 with the Z06 for God's sake. Clearly they spent all their time tracking them and didn't do quarter mile testing.

Check out the first two minutes of this video.



The ATS-V, when Motor Trend actually tried actually testing the cars, performed far beyond anything we've seen from the Camaro to date.

0-60 MPH 3.7 seconds
1/4 mile 12.1 seconds @ 116.2 mph
Baking 60-0 mph 99 feet

It's an automagic, but that's substantially faster than the Camaro times seen thus far. Granted, we could see some hero runs, but I'm going to MT's numbers here, which outshine the 2016 SS. Braking was outstanding, too.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Can one of you guys please explain the "large RPM" range to me and claiming that's why it's faster?..... I'd really like to hear your explanations..

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

The ATS-V, when Motor Trend actually tried actually testing the cars, performed far beyond anything we've seen from the Camaro to date.

0-60 MPH 3.7 seconds
1/4 mile 12.1 seconds @ 116.2 mph
Baking 60-0 mph 99 feet

It's an automagic, but that's substantially faster than the Camaro times seen thus far. Granted, we could see some hero runs, but I'm going to MT's numbers here, which outshine the 2016 SS. Braking was outstanding, too.

I wouldn't say 0.2 is substantially faster....we've seen the SS hit 3.9 and 12.3 with it's "automagic".

ATS is a tick faster in a straight line and id guess the same on the track.

Bottom line...you don't compare SS and the GT350R on the track. I can see SS giving the base 350 a hard time for sure especially with mrc and brake package.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

That is a terrible time for the ATS-V. They only ran an 11.5 with the Z06 for God's sake. Clearly they spent all their time tracking them and didn't do quarter mile testing.

Check out the first two minutes of this video.



The ATS-V, when Motor Trend actually tried actually testing the cars, performed far beyond anything we've seen from the Camaro to date.

0-60 MPH 3.7 seconds
1/4 mile 12.1 seconds @ 116.2 mph
Baking 60-0 mph 99 feet

It's an automagic, but that's substantially faster than the Camaro times seen thus far. Granted, we could see some hero runs, but I'm going to MT's numbers here, which outshine the 2016 SS. Braking was outstanding, too.

The camaro has hit 116 in one test and if it had the same rubber type and size as the ats-v it'd probably 0-60 better with a few lbs less.

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Can one of you guys please explain the "large RPM" range to me and claiming that's why it's faster?..... I'd really like to hear your explanations..

The fpc has no lowend but when It does it its powerband it stays for a very long time. 1000's or rpm's as opposed to 100's. And because it has such a large powerband it won't have to down shift as much.