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Old 11-15-2011, 08:36 PM   #1401
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GM its time for a Z28. You've created a demand for a higher performing Camaro unfortunately most can't or won't afford the ZL1. $40-$45K is the sweet spot. Build the Z28 now that you have the demand. Build it!!!
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Old 11-15-2011, 09:25 PM   #1402
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GM its time for a Z28. You've created a demand for a higher performing Camaro unfortunately most can't or won't afford the ZL1. $40-$45K is the sweet spot. Build the Z28 now that you have the demand. Build it!!!
Have you read anything on the 1LE it is practically what everyone's Z28 cry is. Its labeled the 1LE now, we thought the ZL1 was a Z28 maybe the 1LE will really be a Z28. The 1LE concept is currently a stock SS with ZL1 components added to make it more "Z28."
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Old 11-15-2011, 09:36 PM   #1403
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Have you read anything on the 1LE it is practically what everyone's Z28 cry is. Its labeled the 1LE now, we thought the ZL1 was a Z28 maybe the 1LE will really be a Z28. The 1LE concept is currently a stock SS with ZL1 components added to make it more "Z28."
Actually the ZL1 was going to be called the Z28..... but was changes a few weeks b4 the announcement
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:07 PM   #1404
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Have you read anything on the 1LE it is practically what everyone's Z28 cry is. Its labeled the 1LE now, we thought the ZL1 was a Z28 maybe the 1LE will really be a Z28. The 1LE concept is currently a stock SS with ZL1 components added to make it more "Z28."
Camaro 1LE Concept

Born in the Camaro’s third generation and refined further in the fourth generation as a road-racing performance package, the legendary 1LE option code designation returns to the Camaro as a concept intended to carve up road courses. While only a concept, it borrows production components from both the Camaro SS and forthcoming Camaro ZL1 to deliver a competition-ready package. Hash mark graphics on the front fender are pure Chevrolet racing cues, too.

Vehicle highlights:

Victory Red exterior color, with flat black hood and hash mark extensions
Satin black splitter, rocker panels, rear spoiler and outside mirrors
Sport suspension featuring Magnetic Ride Control
Electric power steering
Six-speed manual close-ratio transmission
Lightweight 20x10-inch (front) and 20x11-inch (rear) racing wheels (satin black)
Goodyear® Eagle F1 Supercar G asymmetrical tires (from the ZL1)
Brembo® six-piston front calipers, with two-piece front rotors, and four-piston rear calipers (Chevrolet Official Licensed Product)
Dual exhaust outlets with ZL1-style active exhaust and diffuser
Shock tower brace
Chevrolet Accessories red engine cover
Black leather interior with Light Stone stitching
Graphite Silver door and instrument panel inserts
ZL1 shifter with Light Stone stitching
ZL1 flat-bottom steering wheel
Chevrolet Accessories pedal kit

“The Camaro 1LE concept is all about the track,” said Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer for the Camaro. “It’s an all-out race car package that pays tribute to that special option from the past.”

A Z/28 should be more than the 1LE. Adding the six pot ZL1 / CTS-V front brakes is cool. Electric PS will deliver a couple of extra rear wheel ponies. The consensus in this thread is the MR is not what the Z/28 buyer wants

If we are talking about off the shelf parts to make a Z/28 most in this thread would be more interested in what Chevrolet can leave out to save weight and what they can put in to improve performance.

Thinking out loud, a SS with heads and cam, CTS-V front brake upgrade, a square tire and wheel setup, a hoop to mount a five point harness and a Pedders Justice Suspension would run rings around a 1LE that would have to carry a low 40s price tag. We can get replica Z/28 badges to complete it.
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Old 11-16-2011, 08:17 AM   #1405
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I would say LPE could deliver a L/28 before Chevrolet starts building the ZL1


Thats good news cause if the price is right I can cancel my Zl1 order!!!

I need a racecar damnit!! LOL
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Old 11-16-2011, 08:57 AM   #1406
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After yesterday's pricing announcement, it is painfully clear the $40s have been abandoned out of necessity due to the high level of comfort and performance equipment the ZL1 features. So...

Less is more...

Let's get "back to basics". A more basic level of trim and doodads. A more basic powerplant, devoid of weighty power adders. A more basic suspension set-up, perhaps more akin to the SSX than the 1LE.

BASIC. 1SS platform. 1LS Trim.

PURPOSEFUL. A "driver's" car, NOT a "rider's" car. A car that encourages taking the l-o-n-g way home. A car all your senses respond to...

POWERFUL. A willing screamer. A throbbing exhaust note, basso-profundo. Simply a symphony, of expectation meeting actuality...building to a successful conclusion...a crescendo of sorts.

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Old 11-16-2011, 02:23 PM   #1407
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Would have been nice to have this in the SS

LSX-427 w/ LSX-LS7 head assembly. However, this one is stroked and forged 9.1:1 compression around 500rwhp. NA, over 800rwhp. FI.
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:19 PM   #1408
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What do these weigh in comparison to an LS3?
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Old 11-16-2011, 05:18 PM   #1409
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I'm not sure the 100 lb heavier LSX cast iron block is what we seek for a weight-conscious road-racy ZEE. For applications needing more than 500 rwhp without the added bulk or boost of a blower, the LS7 block will do fine. LPE's 681 hp L28 delivers well-into-the-5s to the rear grippers...
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Old 11-16-2011, 05:35 PM   #1410
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I'm not sure the 100 lb heavier LSX cast iron block is what we seek for a weight-conscious road-racy ZEE. For applications needing more than 500 rwhp without the added bulk or boost of a blower, the LS7 block will do fine. LPE's 681 hp L28 delivers well-into-the-5s to the rear grippers...
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:06 PM   #1411
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Understood. And the primary reason the LS7 comes under criticism is its reputation for not being boost-friendly.

However, the focus of this particular Z/28 Section (not to be confused with those threads so named that predate the ZL1's announcement) is boostless boogie...

Make no mistake, the LSX 376 is an awesome piece to build a mega-boost, mega-power strip-ripper from!

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Old 11-16-2011, 06:55 PM   #1412
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Understood. And the primary reason the LS7 comes under criticism is its reputation for not being boost-friendly.

However, the focus of this particular Z/28 Section (not to be confused with those threads so named that predate the ZL1's announcement) is boostless boogie...

Make no mistake, the LSX 376 is an awesome piece to build a mega-boost, mega-power strip-ripper from!
Correctamundo NA all the way.
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Old 11-16-2011, 07:06 PM   #1413
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Yes I'll take the all aluminum LS7 thank you very much.
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Old 11-17-2011, 08:22 AM   #1414
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Our LS7 powered L / 28 made 593 hp / 510 ftlb on the tires.

We are working on both the complete L / 28 pricing, and on component pricing if someone wanted to build their own. We will have pricing available soon.
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