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Old 07-08-2013, 05:17 PM   #57
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The 370z does the V.I.R. Track in only 3:12. While the 1LE does it in a crazy good (for price) 2:58. For comparision the ZL1 does it in 2:52. And the ZR1 Vette only does it in 2:45.
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:59 PM   #58
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The LS2 in the GTO is overrated.

At local dyno day my friend's L99 with intake and programmer did 357 whp.

A stock LS2 manual did 323 whp, and another ls2 with headers/intake/tune did 366 whp.


LS2's really make more around 370 at the crank stock, an auto ls2 would have dyno'd significantly lower then those 6-speeds.


GTO's weigh about 3600 lbs. G8 GT's weigh around 3900 lbs.... The GTO has a 200 lb passenger(just a guess) and essentially eliminates the weight difference. From my experience close races like that are determined by whichever car has a passenger(when there's just one for the 2 cars).


The LS1 is a better more reliable overall package then the ls2 when it comes to heads/cams... It's stronger and the best years for the LS1. My friend's has 460 whp and traps 119 mph and pulls cars that trap 120+ in real life, his is the ls1.
Stock LS2s have dynoed over 370whp stock. Your argument is immediately invalid.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:34 PM   #59
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Stock LS2s have dynoed over 370whp stock. Your argument is immediately invalid.
Lots of folks on ls1gto.com seem to be in the 340-350 range at the wheel with the m6. I'm sure those ls2's are right around 400 at the crank from the factory. That would be a ridiculous thing for GM to fib about.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:00 PM   #60
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Thank you for your post, sorry nobody has really acknowledged it lol. It was about time somebody just took both cars and put them head to head.

What were the results of the autocross?

Auto-x went as expected. We've been auto-x for about 3 years now. We don't hit every event, maybe 5 a year. I started at 54.6 and by my 7th run got it down to 49.1. She got her Camaro to as low as 53.3 and as high as 55.6. On our 4th run we swapped cars and I pulled a 53.1 and she pulled a 52.2 in my Z. I'm sure with more practice I could have got the Camaro down to 51.XX but we both wanted to focus on our own cars. There was another camaro there who claimed to be stock running 49-50 all night long. I thought he was just a good driver. Half way through the night I saw him pop his hood slightly and saw he had an intake. So I started to take a closer look at his car and noticed it also sat 1.25 inch lower than our Camaro.

The Camaro just feels too powerful for auto-x. I mean I barely use a fraction of the power of my Z on an auto-x track but with the Camaro it's ridiculous. So much torque on tap the car can get away from you very easily. On a curvy canyon road it's easy to drive but on a technical auto-x course it's a bit of a handfull. The Z on the other hand is very easy to control and is very precise. The only car I've driven that I enjoyed more on the auto-x course was my 280z, and thats mainly because it weights 2600lbs. On auto-x it's not about power but about weight and control. Still, I'll take the Z or Camaro as my DD vs. some light weight like a miata or FRS
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:03 PM   #61
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im just gonna go ahead and repost this

VIR- Virginia International Raceway (aka Americas Nureburg)

The 370z does the V.I.R. Track in only 3:12. While the 1LE does it in a crazy good (for price) 2:58. For comparision the ZL1 does it in 2:52. And the ZR1 Vette only does it in 2:45.
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:27 AM   #62
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The LS2 in the GTO is overrated.

At local dyno day my friend's L99 with intake and programmer did 357 whp.

A stock LS2 manual did 323 whp, and another ls2 with headers/intake/tune did 366 whp.


LS2's really make more around 370 at the crank stock, an auto ls2 would have dyno'd significantly lower then those 6-speeds.


GTO's weigh about 3600 lbs. G8 GT's weigh around 3900 lbs.... The GTO has a 200 lb passenger(just a guess) and essentially eliminates the weight difference. From my experience close races like that are determined by whichever car has a passenger(when there's just one for the 2 cars).


The LS1 is a better more reliable overall package then the ls2 when it comes to heads/cams... It's stronger and the best years for the LS1. My friend's has 460 whp and traps 119 mph and pulls cars that trap 120+ in real life, his is the ls1.

How do you manage to stage your car without wrecking is beyond me. That is some of the dumbest stuff I have ever read.
Show us all the disappointed LS2 owners swapping out their 6.0l for a used LS1.

RE: the track times at VIR. With those lap times a 30 minute session the Z would be about a mile behind.
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:46 AM   #63
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Well, actually all the LS2 owners have swapped their engine to the one from the G35s, as it is far superior in every way to an LS engine. Even the new generation of LT engines fall to the mighty G35s.

The G35s does a 1/4 mile .2 faster than whatever you say you drive. Even a Honda Accord is faster.

I'll post videos and pics later of two random 4th gens I claim I bought off Craigslist that had title issues and the motor blew up, then aliens took it, and then I got the cash back, and now I'm going to buy this other one and build it myself.

I don't even know why i'm building that slow 4th gen camaro when my G35s will walk it in the 1/4.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:56 AM   #64
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350-370z's are slow. end of story.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:47 AM   #65
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Well, actually all the LS2 owners have swapped their engine to the one from the G35s, as it is far superior in every way to an LS engine. Even the new generation of LT engines fall to the mighty G35s.

The G35s does a 1/4 mile .2 faster than whatever you say you drive. Even a Honda Accord is faster.

I'll post videos and pics later of two random 4th gens I claim I bought off Craigslist that had title issues and the motor blew up, then aliens took it, and then I got the cash back, and now I'm going to buy this other one and build it myself.

I don't even know why i'm building that slow 4th gen camaro when my G35s will walk it in the 1/4.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:34 PM   #66
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350-370z's are slow. end of story.
Keeping it real, they are not slow by any means. They are slower than the SS that's for sure. But they aren't slow. You take one for granted and slip up and miss a shift or spin too much and you won't catch them if they get out in front of you. And the Nismo will probably run neck and neck given a better driver.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:47 AM   #67
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I owned 2 GTOs (both LS2s).
My manual LS2 GTO dynoed in the 340-345 rwhp range (same as a bunch of my buddies that also had manual GTOs)
With cam, full bolt ons, and tune it made 415 rwhp.


My stock automatic LS2 GTO made around 310 - 312 rwhp. Ran 13.3 @ 105 mph
With basic bolt ons it made 336 - 340 rwhp. Ran 12.9 @ 109 mph.


I had a couple friends with LS1 GTOs. Stock vs. Stock, I always beat them by a couple cars when we drag raced. An LS2 GTO will pull away from an LS1 GTO as speed increase (70+ mph).
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:04 AM   #68
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LS2 is faster, but once you do a full on heads/cam car the LS1 is stronger and has just as much potential.
Why, please explain.
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:35 AM   #69
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And the stock car was doing pretty well!
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