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EDFHOBBIES · 10-17-2014, 01:22 PM

So I have 2 companies quoting me an Icebox thats similar to the ADM style that fits between the battery and bumper in the spare tire area. Both are same designed sealed closed loop. I will not be dumping ice into water that circulates through the intercooler and exchanger. Thanks to H E for the Advice on how bag ice or non distilled water can kill your intercooler system.

Just wonder what to gamble on... 40 foot of 1/2 inch coil or a 2 inch intercooler core thats about 8 to 10 inches long. gotta figure out what has the best surface area or what will cool the closed water circuit the best.

Don't be fooled that coil wire might not work.. I worked at a golf course for 20 years and way out in BFE there was no electricity on a few holes.. So we had a pit 2 foot all the way around with 50 feet of coil, we dumped a half trash can full of ice on it and it was plenty cool and the ice lasted for all day in 105 temps in the shade.

I will be installing the AFCO dual pass this weekend so I can post some pics.

I'm sure just by increasing the size from a 2 gal to 5 gal system and the tank for the water/coolant not being on a hot engine will help even when it doesn't have ice in it.

This should be a lot better don't have to worry about closing valves and draining tanks refilling ect... no bilge pumps or ice in lines..

Trackman · 10-17-2014, 07:51 PM

Curious to how this will play out. Likely building one this winter as well.

H-E · 10-18-2014, 05:41 AM

Good luck, sorry I don't have anything right now but if you need any more tips give me a call .I'm going to have to take the time to make a proper ice box , maybe this winter.

jessrayo · 10-18-2014, 12:44 PM

I have an ADM trunk mount reservoir. I have been putting ice in the tank and running it through the supercharger since I got the larger reservoir. I must admit that I have had 2 different superchargers on the car since I got the large reservoir but I have not seen any adverse affect of running the ice through them. It makes sense that the minerals in the ice water have the potential to deposit inside the intercooler but no exchanger that separates the two reservoirs will provide near as much cooling capacity and lower IATs as well as pumping the ice cold water directly into the supercharger. If I had to periodically change an intercooler brick but had significant power gains due to lower temps, I would change the bricks every year or two. I also suspect that if I periodically run coolant system flush chemicals through the system that are designed to remove these very deposits, this will keep the bricks working as good as new.

Heat turns out to be the limiting factor on gaining power from all of these PD superchargers. More supercharger cooling will make more power. To me it is a question of how much power do you want to make. I personally think racing with ice in the tank and then flushing it and adding distilled water and antifreeze for daily driving is fine. When I make my own ice I do use distilled water but I use more ice than I can make for some racing venues. Unless you are getting really crappy ice I don't think it is that big of a deal. Just my opinion.... and I have run a lot of bags of ice through my car.

H-E · 10-18-2014, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jessrayo

I have an ADM trunk mount reservoir. I have been putting ice in the tank and running it through the supercharger since I got the larger reservoir. I must admit that I have had 2 different superchargers on the car since I got the large reservoir but I have not seen any adverse affect of running the ice through them. It makes sense that the minerals in the ice water have the potential to deposit inside the intercooler but no exchanger that separates the two reservoirs will provide near as much cooling capacity and lower IATs as well as pumping the ice cold water directly into the supercharger. If I had to periodically change an intercooler brick but had significant power gains due to lower temps, I would change the bricks every year or two. I also suspect that if I periodically run coolant system flush chemicals through the system that are designed to remove these very deposits, this will keep the bricks working as good as new.

Heat turns out to be the limiting factor on gaining power from all of these PD superchargers. More supercharger cooling will make more power. To me it is a question of how much power do you want to make. I personally think racing with ice in the tank and then flushing it and adding distilled water and antifreeze for daily driving is fine. When I make my own ice I do use distilled water but I use more ice than I can make for some racing venues. Unless you are getting really crappy ice I don't think it is that big of a deal. Just my opinion.... and I have run a lot of bags of ice through my car.

Shame on you! You should no better , I've talked to you about this lol.I guess I'll have to make a tank now to show you. .I Rember when u didn't believe in my tb fix either lol.

jessrayo · 10-18-2014, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by H-E

Shame on you! You should no better , I've talked to you about this lol.I guess I'll have to make a tank now to show you. .I Rember when u didn't believe in my tb fix either lol.

Sorry Thomas.... I just never have had any trouble with running ice. Now the throttle body....that gave me fits. Thanks again. If I still had a supercharger on the car I would keep pouring in the ice but for now I'm a turbo guy...

EDFHOBBIES · 10-20-2014, 09:32 AM

ya, The closed system makes more sense and is less headache. Closing valves and draining, worrying about minerals in the system. I barely have time as it is.

Did have another thought maybe 2 layers in closed loop. self contained dry Ice around the box that contains the ice to cool the intercooler or coil. That would make the ice go further and do netter job then insulation.

jessrayo · 10-20-2014, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

ya, The closed system makes more sense and is less headache. Closing valves and draining, worrying about minerals in the system. I barely have time as it is.

Did have another thought maybe 2 layers in closed loop. self contained dry Ice around the box that contains the ice to cool the intercooler or coil. That would make the ice go further and do netter job then insulation.

If you use an exchanger inside the big reservoir, as long as the big reservoir is vented and non pressurized, you could dump the dry ice directly into the tank because it is an inert compound that does not react with anything, as it boils off it just turns into CO2 gas. This would be a very simple way to get a lot more cooling out of the system. You could put water, antifreeze, methanol, ice cubes, whatever you want in the tank and just pour in some dry ice on top of it, it will just bubble away as it cools.

Blue70SS · 10-21-2014, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by H-E

Shame on you! You should no better , I've talked to you about this lol.I guess I'll have to make a tank now to show you. .I Rember when u didn't believe in my tb fix either lol.

What's your tank idea Thomas? I'm all ears!

Blue70SS · 10-21-2014, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

So I have 2 companies quoting me an Icebox thats similar to the ADM style that fits between the battery and bumper in the spare tire area. Both are same designed sealed closed loop. I will not be dumping ice into water that circulates through the intercooler and exchanger. Thanks to H E for the Advice on how bag ice or non distilled water can kill your intercooler system.

Just wonder what to gamble on... 40 foot of 1/2 inch coil or a 2 inch intercooler core thats about 8 to 10 inches long. gotta figure out what has the best surface area or what will cool the closed water circuit the best.

Don't be fooled that coil wire might not work.. I worked at a golf course for 20 years and way out in BFE there was no electricity on a few holes.. So we had a pit 2 foot all the way around with 50 feet of coil, we dumped a half trash can full of ice on it and it was plenty cool and the ice lasted for all day in 105 temps in the shade.

I will be installing the AFCO dual pass this weekend so I can post some pics.

I'm sure just by increasing the size from a 2 gal to 5 gal system and the tank for the water/coolant not being on a hot engine will help even when it doesn't have ice in it.

This should be a lot better don't have to worry about closing valves and draining tanks refilling ect... no bilge pumps or ice in lines..

If you get it figured out... I'd be interested in the system! Sounds like the best of everything.

10-17-2014, 01:22 PM	#1
EDFHOBBIES Dyno Show Queen LOL Drives: 16 SS & 17 ZL1 Both Yellow Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 4,345 View My Garage	Closed system ICeBox for trunk! So I have 2 companies quoting me an Icebox thats similar to the ADM style that fits between the battery and bumper in the spare tire area. Both are same designed sealed closed loop. I will not be dumping ice into water that circulates through the intercooler and exchanger. Thanks to H E for the Advice on how bag ice or non distilled water can kill your intercooler system. Just wonder what to gamble on... 40 foot of 1/2 inch coil or a 2 inch intercooler core thats about 8 to 10 inches long. gotta figure out what has the best surface area or what will cool the closed water circuit the best. Don't be fooled that coil wire might not work.. I worked at a golf course for 20 years and way out in BFE there was no electricity on a few holes.. So we had a pit 2 foot all the way around with 50 feet of coil, we dumped a half trash can full of ice on it and it was plenty cool and the ice lasted for all day in 105 temps in the shade. I will be installing the AFCO dual pass this weekend so I can post some pics. I'm sure just by increasing the size from a 2 gal to 5 gal system and the tank for the water/coolant not being on a hot engine will help even when it doesn't have ice in it. This should be a lot better don't have to worry about closing valves and draining tanks refilling ect... no bilge pumps or ice in lines..

10-18-2014, 12:44 PM	#4
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	I have an ADM trunk mount reservoir. I have been putting ice in the tank and running it through the supercharger since I got the larger reservoir. I must admit that I have had 2 different superchargers on the car since I got the large reservoir but I have not seen any adverse affect of running the ice through them. It makes sense that the minerals in the ice water have the potential to deposit inside the intercooler but no exchanger that separates the two reservoirs will provide near as much cooling capacity and lower IATs as well as pumping the ice cold water directly into the supercharger. If I had to periodically change an intercooler brick but had significant power gains due to lower temps, I would change the bricks every year or two. I also suspect that if I periodically run coolant system flush chemicals through the system that are designed to remove these very deposits, this will keep the bricks working as good as new. Heat turns out to be the limiting factor on gaining power from all of these PD superchargers. More supercharger cooling will make more power. To me it is a question of how much power do you want to make. I personally think racing with ice in the tank and then flushing it and adding distilled water and antifreeze for daily driving is fine. When I make my own ice I do use distilled water but I use more ice than I can make for some racing venues. Unless you are getting really crappy ice I don't think it is that big of a deal. Just my opinion.... and I have run a lot of bags of ice through my car. __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date.

10-17-2014, 07:51 PM	#2
Trackman Drives: 67RS Camaro ,Black 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Alberta Posts: 1,408	Curious to how this will play out. Likely building one this winter as well.

10-18-2014, 05:41 AM	#3
H-E Account Suspended Drives: 2010 zr1 Camaro 2011 vert Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: everywhere Posts: 1,121	Good luck, sorry I don't have anything right now but if you need any more tips give me a call .I'm going to have to take the time to make a proper ice box , maybe this winter.

10-20-2014, 09:32 AM	#7
EDFHOBBIES Dyno Show Queen LOL Drives: 16 SS & 17 ZL1 Both Yellow Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 4,345 View My Garage	ya, The closed system makes more sense and is less headache. Closing valves and draining, worrying about minerals in the system. I barely have time as it is. Did have another thought maybe 2 layers in closed loop. self contained dry Ice around the box that contains the ice to cool the intercooler or coil. That would make the ice go further and do netter job then insulation.