Now that the ZL1 is out, what do you want the Z28 to be?

[Fightinfire921]

Originally Posted by VictoryRed10

Either a supercharged, or twin turbo v-6 with upgraded suspension *cough* pedders

I bet that would be a hot seller.

"NOT"

[Q-ship]

Forget all the HP craziness, build the Z28 in the way is was originally intended. LIGHTEN the damn heavy weight Camaro, lose the big heavy a$$ bling wheels (18"s will fit with the Brembos), Tune the LS3 for 470-480 HP, add some suspension tuning (ie more like the WS6 suspension the firebirds had), and then sticky rubber. Stir and kick some the Boss's butt. That is what a Z28 should be!

[Dave Coyle]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

Forget all the HP craziness, build the Z28 in the way is was originally intended. LIGHTEN the damn heavy weight Camaro, lose the big heavy a$$ bling wheels (18"s will fit with the Brembos), Tune the LS3 for 470-480 HP, add some suspension tuning (ie more like the WS6 suspension the firebirds had), and then sticky rubber. Stir and kick some the Boss's butt. That is what a Z28 should be!

If you drop the weight down to around 3500 lbs. (or less) with this set-up, the Z-28 would be perfect!

[Q-ship]

Originally Posted by Dave Coyle

If you drop the weight down to around 3500 lbs. (or less) with this set-up, the Z-28 would be perfect!

That is a weight we will never see with this generation Camaro, but 3800 is very doable. To many saftey things make all new car way too heavy, the Mustang in the generation (looks like 2014) will get heavier too.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

That is a weight we will never see with this generation Camaro, but 3800 is very doable. To many saftey things make all new car way too heavy, the Mustang in the generation (looks like 2014) will get heavier too.

The next gen Mustang and Camaro will be losing weight, not getting heavier. Not sure if that's what you were trying to say or not.

[Q-ship]

Originally Posted by thePill

The next gen Mustang and Camaro will be losing weight, not getting heavier. Not sure if that's what you were trying to say or not.

With the NTSB saftey regulation you honestly believe that the next generation of either platform is going to get lighter? All I can say is evidence has not supported that, all the newer vehicle are made from lighter and thinner materials but are gaining weight. I mean really a 4000 lb Camaro, a 4100 lb Challanger, and a 3700 lb Mustang (3900 for the GT500). My 1968 Chevelle has a cast iron engine, has a frame and is made from real heavy gage steel and is 400 lighter than a new Camaro that is made of Aluminum, thin gage steel, no frame, and plastic....what the hey is going on then? My 71 Monte Carlo that is loaded only weights 3800. The Feds are burying the lastest cars with a ton of regs that make them very portly. I will believe the next generation of Mustang and Camaro will get lighter when they are in the dealers lots, not magazine and internet speculation.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

With the NTSB saftey regulation you honestly believe that the next generation of either platform is going to get lighter? All I can say is evidence has not supported that, all the newer vehicle are made from lighter and thinner materials but are gaining weight. I mean really a 4000 lb Camaro, a 4100 lb Challanger, and a 3700 lb Mustang (3900 for the GT500). My 1968 Chevelle has a cast iron engine, has a frame and is made from real heavy gage steel and is 400 lighter than a new Camaro that is made of Aluminum, thin gage steel, no frame, and plastic....what the hey is going on then? My 71 Monte Carlo that is loaded only weights 3800. The Feds are burying the lastest cars with a ton of regs that make them very portly. I will believe the next generation of Mustang and Camaro will get lighter when they are in the dealers lots, not magazine and internet speculation.

You are incorrect, there are certain measures manufacturers are taking to reduce the safety cage weight by using high strength steels. I will give you an example, then it is up to you to do some research. The 2011 Fiesta lost 88lbs by using UHSS, the Chevrolet Volt also reduced its weight considerably by using UHSS. The next gen pony cars are going to weight LESS than the current cars. There is a couple of days of reading you need to do...

Edit: Also take into consideration, that the new Fiesta did not alter its wheelbase or track, body or anything other than the use of UHSS. The safety cage is where most of the weight comes from... Google "Boron" and "UHSS"

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

With the NTSB saftey regulation you honestly believe that the next generation of either platform is going to get lighter? All I can say is evidence has not supported that, all the newer vehicle are made from lighter and thinner materials but are gaining weight. I mean really a 4000 lb Camaro, a 4100 lb Challanger, and a 3700 lb Mustang (3900 for the GT500). My 1968 Chevelle has a cast iron engine, has a frame and is made from real heavy gage steel and is 400 lighter than a new Camaro that is made of Aluminum, thin gage steel, no frame, and plastic....what the hey is going on then? My 71 Monte Carlo that is loaded only weights 3800. The Feds are burying the lastest cars with a ton of regs that make them very portly. I will believe the next generation of Mustang and Camaro will get lighter when they are in the dealers lots, not magazine and internet speculation.

If your 1968 Chevelle met head on with a 2011 Fiesta using Boron steel, you would be cut in half.... I will take the time to educate you on these new steels as long as it is in a private message, This is a Z28 thread, I would like to keep it that way. These new frames far exceed the NTSB ratings... they will be standard practice very soon...

[2cnd chance]

Lighter yes but not by much.

[DoggyB22]

Its like I've been saying... The Z28 needs to be like the Boss 302 & the Camaro SSX. A track/street car!

SS vs GT
ZL1 vs GT500
Z28 vs Boss 302

[Ez2cDave]

Originally Posted by Q-ship

That is a weight we will never see with this generation Camaro, but 3800 is very doable. To many saftey things make all new car way too heavy, the Mustang in the generation (looks like 2014) will get heavier too.

Hmm . . . A heavier Mustang . . .Time for a 351 / 390 / or 427 to appear

I have never been a "fan" of Ford's "small displacement, high rpm" school of thought . . . I like TORQUE !

Dave Fitch

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by Ez2cDave

Hmm . . . A heavier Mustang . . .Time for a 351 / 390 / or 427 to appear

I have never been a "fan" of Ford's "small displacement, high rpm" school of thought . . . I like TORQUE !

Dave Fitch

One does have to remember that the original first gen. Z/28s were small displacement/high RPM vehicles.They didn't have a lot of torque, but they did rev well and still produced HP beyond 7k RPM.
Clyde

[PC HOTROD]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

One does have to remember that the original first gen. Z/28s were small displacement/high RPM vehicles.They didn't have a lot of torque, but they did rev well and still produced HP beyond 7k RPM.
Clyde

I could agree with that.

Base it more on the 1969 Z28 with the DZ of engine.

I think a bad azz version of the original 302 ci with a modern twist (FI and all Aluminum) that revs to 8000-8500 rpm and a suitable 6 sp manual tranny with a 3.90 final drive would do the trick. It should also weigh no more that 3500 lbs (or less) and a must-have would be a set of somewhat light-weight wheels.

This is certainly possible based on the article linked below where Super Chevy Magazine extracted 519 hp at 7400 rpm and 400 ft. lb Tq at 6300 rpm out of a Chevy DZ302 with further expectation of reaching 600 hp.

Could you just imagine the exhaust note of a modern-day 500+hp 302 ci engine screaming at 8000-8500 rpm!!!!

http://www.superchevy.com/technical/...ild/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/embed/WYrqGPps1ek

[Fraxum]

My Dream Z28.

Keep it real. Keep it simple. No gingerbread on the car. Start with a 1SS. Keep it light. Keep it affordable. Build as many as we want.

* LS3 with 25-45 HP bump (Head, intake, and cam package)
* Manual six speed only
* Tighter Transmission gear ratios (only 1 O/D gear needed)
* At least a 3.73 rear ratio
* Better shifter
* Stronger clutch
* Stronger axles
* FE4 Suspension + a few improvements if possible
* ZL1 front brakes
* Less flexible brakes lines
* No rubber bushings
* No wheel hop
* Neutral handing
* Lighter Wheels (18 inch)
* Sticky tires
* Lower car 1 inch
* Lighter mufflers, battery, and a few other select parts (get creative)
* Keep the soundproofing (I do not want to drive in a tin can)
* Bluetooth + ipod
* Real cloth sport seats (Z28 motif perhaps)
* Z28 interior dash emblem
* Z28 Sill plates
* Z28 on the front of each fender (no other exterior emblems)
* Smaller front and rear color coordinated Chevy bow-ties
* No mail slot
* More effective front and rear spoilers
* No useless side cladding
* Improve underbelly air flow where possible
* Functional brake cooling scoops
* Distinctive Z28 exterior stripes/graphics (Can be wild or tribute)
* Offer true Sunoco blue as a color (Also, red, black, white, and silver)
* Option #1: Rear seat delete with roll bar/brace replacement
* Option #2: Delete graphics
* Option #3: Racetrack delivery (see below)

That is it, just 3 options. No automatic, sunroof, or upgraded stereo. If a Z28 owner wants more bling they are perfectly capable of adding it themselves.

Optionally Allow owners to take delivery at a race track. Include a morning of a driving class with some individual track time with a professional driver.

Chevy can sell all Z28 parts to existing SS owners who want to build their own Z28 to help mitigate the cost of building the Z28.