[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by Curr

I believe I read the convertible C7 weights 55lbs more than the coupe. Since the top would have to be a bit bigger than the one on the C7, and some more bracing underneath, maybe 75 lbs more than the 3685 list... 3760-ish?

I'd say it will be well above 100 pounds.. Just like it is for the Mustang. Sorry for not posting this nicer.. Just copy/paste.. The GT convertible is a premium. They don't offer it otherwise.

Fastback Convertible
V6 Manual 3526 3697
V6 Automatic 3530 3696
EcoBoost® Manual 3532 3692
EcoBoost® Automatic 3524 3701
GT Manual 3705 3872
GT Automatic 3729 3893

[kain279]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

In terms of sales. The existence of the Sierra definitely has a very large impact on overall Silverado sales and visa versa.

I would cross shop them as nearly the same vehicle as would many other GM buyers.

In fact I just did last year. Got a better price at the Chevy dealer.

Its damn near impossible for the Silverado alone to outsell the f150. You have almost the exact same truck from the same company that is directly cross shopped taking a massive dent out of it sales.

I have always cross shopped them as the same vehicle. They are always so visually similar that though I may prefer one over the other it has never been different enough to sway me if I could get a better deal on the other at a different dealership. This means that I have almost always ended up in a Chevy because it seems their dealerships put more trucks on the lot and typically go to an invoice-minus price (and then all applicable rebates/incentives) immediately while the GMC guys try to "do the dance".

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

How about none of the above and I would rather not be bored while driving. Autos may be faster in a straight line but the experience is dull in my opinion.

Totally agree with you

[Chad0311]

Originally Posted by pdoherty972

When are the 2016 Camaros going to be on dealer lots so I can test drive?

Production doesn't start until early October. At best we probably won't see them on the lot's until early/mid November. Time will tell.

[LilAndyG23]

Originally Posted by kelley1996

80% of buyers are doing quarter mile or straight line. Not road racing. I own a scat pack and a camaro which I love dearly. But I am being real about it. My Scat will kill my Camaro. Been a GM fan for life still am...never ever will own a mustang. But with all the hype about it and a car that weighs almost 600 pounds more can run the same times?

Your talking about a car with 485hp! It's no really a fair comparison. Yeah it weighs a couple hundred pounds more, but it's also making much more power.
I'm also a die hard Chevy man. Won't drive anything else. But I seriously looked into the scar pack charger, but it only comes in auto. Probably just kept me a Chevy only man. Challenger would be stupid, such a big car, might as well have an extra set of doors. It is literally a 2 door sedan. but that's just me. Still looks great though.

[LilAndyG23]

Originally Posted by Jeffro19

Totally agree with you

I agree too. But for some people, they feel the same way we feel about manuals, but about autos. The shifting is a hassle to them. To me it's part of the driving experience. You're just not as connected with an auto. Maybe we have some type of ADD and we can't sit still while driving?

[joemosfet]

Originally Posted by LilAndyG23

Your talking about a car with 485hp! It's no really a fair comparison.

Or is it!

2015 SS Camaro: 9.17 pounds per horsepower.
2015 Challenger Scatpack: 8.71
2016 SS Camaro: 8.10

That, coupled with aero improvements, might see a Scat Pack killer.

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by joemosfet

Or is it!

2015 SS Camaro: 9.17 pounds per horsepower.
2015 Challenger Scatpack: 8.71
2016 SS Camaro: 8.10

That, coupled with aero improvements, might see a Scat Pack killer.

These times are a GM reference time....

For these times GM runs the car a number of times and they average out the runs posting that average for the performance of the car. So we will see some publications run slower then this and some run faster then this with the average being about GMs spec. Going through different publications times for the Challenger scat pack here are what I found.

C&D

0-60: 4.2 seocnds
0-100: 9.6 seconds
0-150: 25.2 seconds
1/4mile: 12.6 @ 114MPH.

Motor Trend

0-60: 4.2 seconds
0-100: 9.9 seconds
1/4mile: 12.6 @ 112.3MPH

There are some other rumors, one being that the 6.4L Hemi is actually making more then 500BHP (seems to be par for the course with Dodge lately). 392 Hemi powered cars have dynoed at the rear wheels at over 450RWHP when they were rated at 470BHP at the crank. Based on dyno runs the 392 HEMI engine is probably making close to the full 525BHP that was shown when the engine was first shown off. Which starts to make more sense when you consider the weight of some of these cars.

Based on the Car and Driver article the scat pack challenger in their test had a weight of 4,261 pounds (car had the 8 speed auto as well). If you assume 525BHP then you get a power to weight ratio of 8.11 pounds per horsepower. This beats the best power to weight for the 5th gen 9.2 pounds per horsepower (a bit better for a no options 1LE) however puts it a bit behind the 2016 SS Camaro at 8.1. So the 12.6 in the 1/4 mile for publications isn't out of line with GMs average of 12.5 for the manual and 12.3 for the automatic car.

[VF-22]

Originally Posted by IOMike

Wouldn't the SS's "performance pack" essentially be the MRC w/ or w/o the NPP exhaust???

It's not Chevy's fault that even a performance pack Mustang GT is significantly behind a "base" SS. What happens is Chevy does do a 1Le? At this point that's not only rubbing it in, it's almost unsportsman like conduct. It's like when your football team is up by 35 points and they keep throwing the ball for TD's.

It would be the MRC, larger wheels with summer tread, 3.73 differential, performance suspension, brembos, larger cooling, etc but not the NPP...that adds weight from what I've read.

Just saying it seems like Chevy is forcing those that don't want that into the V6 with RS package.

They could easily offer the 1SS/2SS with 18-19" wheels, a lower RAR like 3.31 or 3.55, all season tires, the sports suspension from the V6, 4 caliper brakes, standard cooling, etc. That would lower the price a few grand and bring in buyers.

If you are over on M6G there are definitely 2 types of GT buyers.

The "Touring" type that was a really nice V8 that is fast but great for long road trips and gives a nice ride/DD and gets somewhat decent MPG.

The "Track/Performance" type that want their performance features and dont care about anything other then their GT being as fast as possible and as track capable as possible.

I mean lets be honest, this doesn't hurt Chevy at all to offer/have a less 'track' ready SS. You're just swapping some minor things that do not affect the line or build process at all. I mean if Ford can do it, Chevy can. Options are good.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by doc7000

These times are a GM reference time....

For these times GM runs the car a number of times and they average out the runs posting that average for the performance of the car. So we will see some publications run slower then this and some run faster then this with the average being about GMs spec. Going through different publications times for the Challenger scat pack here are what I found.

C&D

0-60: 4.2 seocnds
0-100: 9.6 seconds
0-150: 25.2 seconds
1/4mile: 12.6 @ 114MPH.

Motor Trend

0-60: 4.2 seconds
0-100: 9.9 seconds
1/4mile: 12.6 @ 112.3MPH

There are some other rumors, one being that the 6.4L Hemi is actually making more then 500BHP (seems to be par for the course with Dodge lately). 392 Hemi powered cars have dynoed at the rear wheels at over 450RWHP when they were rated at 470BHP at the crank. Based on dyno runs the 392 HEMI engine is probably making close to the full 525BHP that was shown when the engine was first shown off. Which starts to make more sense when you consider the weight of some of these cars.

Based on the Car and Driver article the scat pack challenger in their test had a weight of 4,261 pounds (car had the 8 speed auto as well). If you assume 525BHP then you get a power to weight ratio of 8.11 pounds per horsepower. This beats the best power to weight for the 5th gen 9.2 pounds per horsepower (a bit better for a no options 1LE) however puts it a bit behind the 2016 SS Camaro at 8.1. So the 12.6 in the 1/4 mile for publications isn't out of line with GMs average of 12.5 for the manual and 12.3 for the automatic car.

The 6.4L is SAE rated. It makes what is advertised. Driveline loss is not as high as in the past and chassis dynos aren't accurate like doing an engine dyno.

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If the 1LE package comes out in 2017, will I be able to upgrade my 2016 SS to 1LE?

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The 6.4L is SAE rated. It makes what is advertised. Driveline loss is not as high as in the past and chassis dynos aren't accurate like doing an engine dyno.

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+1

You beat me to it this time. Summed up nicely in 3 sentences lol.



As far as the scat pack. Close race but the SS has its number.

[Number 3]

Ok, now for the dinger.

It's 200 pounds lighter because it's a SMALLER car with a smaller fuel tank. And don't claim it's within an inch here and there. Every inch of steel and plastic weighs something.

GM also announced the new 2016 Malibu is BIGGER and weighs 300 pounds less. The current Epsilon platform is porky as well as Zeta.

So does GM get the max grade for the weight loss knowing that?

Just for discussion.

[laborsmith]

Also the new Cruze due in February is bigger but weighs less than the version it is replacing per GM Media.

Laborsmith