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AlisoBob · 02-15-2024, 04:26 PM

So my neighbor just came over, to recruit me into helping him to a trunnion upgrade and pushrod swap this weekend. I say OK, lets see what you got.

He shows me this BTR V2 trunnion kit. Cool.
Then he whips out this Michigan Motorsports ( aka CHINA) pushrod kit. I say no way are we using that junk.

I call over to Manton, and they make a really nice LS Pushrod kit, for only a few dollars more. FYI , Manton is one of the premier pushrod makers in the world.

So he's shipping the M/M Chinese stuff back.

Who would buy this M/M stuff, when Manton's are so competitively priced?

I guess there is a sucker born every minute.

morepowerjoe · 02-16-2024, 03:09 AM

I've been using BTR but don't really know too much about them except they run about .015 over. I believe that GPI's pushrods are right on though.

1JEWLDSSRS · 02-17-2024, 07:26 PM

Same here, I run the BTR's..

CamaroCracka · 02-19-2024, 01:30 PM

Me too.

AlisoBob · 02-19-2024, 02:25 PM

I guess you guys have no idea who Manton or Smith Brothers are.....

hawkyV8 · 02-19-2024, 03:03 PM

Measuring each one and getting the correct length just as important as the brand of pushrod.

morepowerjoe · 02-19-2024, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AlisoBob

I guess you guys have no idea who Manton or Smith Brothers are.....

Well why don't you educate us?

62nalide · 02-19-2024, 04:57 PM

Everyone has their own brand, For hydraulic roller stuff I prefer Trend as they make a ton of push-rods for a lot companies/shops. Smith Brothers makes nice trunnions just not as nice as CHE's kit. Can't go wrong with any of those listed. I'm certain there are a lot of people on here who are not in the industry.

1JEWLDSSRS · 02-20-2024, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AlisoBob

I guess you guys have no idea who Manton or Smith Brothers are.....

Well, I do know about Manton, and Smith Brothers, had Smith Brothers trunnions in my build, was a good product, no issues, switched to CHE, as for Manton, for the price, the BTR pushrods were just as good of a product. Manton has been around for quite some time, as has Smith Brothers! Everybody has their preferences they like.

SS_CTS-V · 02-20-2024, 02:49 PM

People are ignorant, not in a negative way, just human nature. We see Michigan Motorsports on Amazon, they are a Prime vendor, and prices are good. Done, purchase made, too easy.

Sure there are better products out there, but most people are not "enthusiasts" like you and I, so they don't spend hours/days/weeks/months/years of their time researching and learning about details and aspects of our vehicles, components, and vendors.

I have a neighbor who is "building" a 68 Mustang in his garage. Great guy, super nice, but he isn't a car enthusiast. His parts mostly come from Summit Racing, and typically whatever is the least expensive product/brand they offer in the part he needs. He has hired "professionals" to help him out and they have hacked the crap out of his honestly very nicely restored car. He doesn't see any of it as a problem, he LOVES this car and it brings him joy. I help him out as much as I can and he returns the favor by helping wrench on my Camaro. He's just ignorant, and I'm helping educate him where I can, Just like you and your neighbor's pushrods. It's what we do as enthusiasts to spread the love and knowledge.

FasNuf · 02-20-2024, 10:13 PM

I run the BTR V2 trunnion upgrade and they've worked great so far. I got the BTR pushrods too when that time came around and found some of them bent. When I say bent I mean I rolled them on granite and could see the wow in the middle using a flashlight. It wasn't a ton, about .005" if I remember right but I remembered something someone said to me once. A bent pushrod is also known as a spring. LOL. I returned the bent ones and got more straight ones to install. This is all on my channel if interested to watch. Cheers guys.

AlisoBob · 02-21-2024, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FasNuf

It wasn't a ton, about .005" if I remember right but I remembered something someone said to me once. A bent pushrod is also known as a spring. LOL.

Yup.... most everything from China is like that. Looks OK, until you look close.

AlisoBob · 02-21-2024, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_CTS-V

His parts mostly come from Summit Racing, and typically whatever is the least expensive product/brand they offer in the part he needs.

And thats the crazy part to me..... Manton has $100 into their pushrods and sells them for $160.

M/M has $20 into their pushrods and sells them for $120, undercutting Manton's price, and is perceived as .... "the better deal".

But is it? No.

Do M/M' work? Sure, lots of people seem to run them. M/M might be the better deal, but Manton's or Smith Brothers are the better value.

You made a good post SS/CTS. Folks should read it again.

02-15-2024, 04:26 PM	#1
AlisoBob Drives: Camaro 2SS Gen 5 Join Date: Oct 2023 Location: Orange County Ca Posts: 121	Pushrods....... So my neighbor just came over, to recruit me into helping him to a trunnion upgrade and pushrod swap this weekend. I say OK, lets see what you got. He shows me this BTR V2 trunnion kit. Cool. Then he whips out this Michigan Motorsports ( aka CHINA) pushrod kit. I say no way are we using that junk. I call over to Manton, and they make a really nice LS Pushrod kit, for only a few dollars more. FYI , Manton is one of the premier pushrod makers in the world. So he's shipping the M/M Chinese stuff back. Who would buy this M/M stuff, when Manton's are so competitively priced? I guess there is a sucker born every minute. Attached Images

02-16-2024, 03:09 AM	#2
morepowerjoe Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro l99 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,109	I've been using BTR but don't really know too much about them except they run about .015 over. I believe that GPI's pushrods are right on though. __________________ DSS FX Forged Pistons, Eagle ESP L19 Forged Rods, ARP Head and Main Studs, TSP PRC 260 CNC Ported Heads milled .030, Cometic .040 Head Gaskets, GPI SS3 VVT Camshaft, GM Performance Racing Lifters, CHE Trunnions , Molly Pushrods, Melling 10355HV Oil Pump, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Fast LSXR Intake Manifold, Nick Williams 103 TB, TSP 1 7/8" Longtubes with 3" TSP Exhaust, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Mishimoto Radiator, Mishimoto Oil Cooler, Tru Cool 40k Tranny Cooler, 3600 Circle D Converter, Fluid Dynamics Balancer Build Thread https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609817

02-17-2024, 07:26 PM	#3
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,449	Same here, I run the BTR's.. __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.

02-19-2024, 01:30 PM	#4
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,736	Me too. __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

02-19-2024, 04:57 PM	#8
62nalide Drives: 2013 SS Join Date: May 2013 Location: DFW Posts: 4,102	Everyone has their own brand, For hydraulic roller stuff I prefer Trend as they make a ton of push-rods for a lot companies/shops. Smith Brothers makes nice trunnions just not as nice as CHE's kit. Can't go wrong with any of those listed. I'm certain there are a lot of people on here who are not in the industry. __________________ https://frankensteined.net/ Martin@Frankensteined.net

02-19-2024, 02:25 PM	#5
AlisoBob Drives: Camaro 2SS Gen 5 Join Date: Oct 2023 Location: Orange County Ca Posts: 121	I guess you guys have no idea who Manton or Smith Brothers are.....

02-19-2024, 03:03 PM	#6
hawkyV8 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS 6m Join Date: May 2020 Location: Iowa Posts: 62	Measuring each one and getting the correct length just as important as the brand of pushrod.

02-20-2024, 02:49 PM	#10
SS_CTS-V Drives: 2015 SS, 2006 CTS-V (wrecked...) Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Tampa Posts: 150	People are ignorant, not in a negative way, just human nature. We see Michigan Motorsports on Amazon, they are a Prime vendor, and prices are good. Done, purchase made, too easy. Sure there are better products out there, but most people are not "enthusiasts" like you and I, so they don't spend hours/days/weeks/months/years of their time researching and learning about details and aspects of our vehicles, components, and vendors. I have a neighbor who is "building" a 68 Mustang in his garage. Great guy, super nice, but he isn't a car enthusiast. His parts mostly come from Summit Racing, and typically whatever is the least expensive product/brand they offer in the part he needs. He has hired "professionals" to help him out and they have hacked the crap out of his honestly very nicely restored car. He doesn't see any of it as a problem, he LOVES this car and it brings him joy. I help him out as much as I can and he returns the favor by helping wrench on my Camaro. He's just ignorant, and I'm helping educate him where I can, Just like you and your neighbor's pushrods. It's what we do as enthusiasts to spread the love and knowledge.

02-20-2024, 10:13 PM	#11
FasNuf Drives: 2014 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,619 View My Garage	I run the BTR V2 trunnion upgrade and they've worked great so far. I got the BTR pushrods too when that time came around and found some of them bent. When I say bent I mean I rolled them on granite and could see the wow in the middle using a flashlight. It wasn't a ton, about .005" if I remember right but I remembered something someone said to me once. A bent pushrod is also known as a spring. LOL. I returned the bent ones and got more straight ones to install. This is all on my channel if interested to watch. Cheers guys. __________________ . . . . https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgN...etl17hA/videos