03-12-2012, 10:47 AM | #15 |
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It looks to me like the headpipes are pretty similar, and there's an H-pipe in there, but I think an X-pipe would flow a lot more, considering that cross-over size.
Still - it's a great start, IMO. I might knock out one of those cats' on each side though
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03-12-2012, 10:55 AM | #16 |
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Same here, I am actually suprised that GM opted to put the second cats on there since they don't serve a purpose and would allow the ZL1 exhaust to breathe a whole lot better!! this exhaust sure looks pieced together, the mid-pipes and the H-pipe sure look like they have way more miles on them versus the rest of it..plus you can see the extra welds in the pipes.
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03-12-2012, 10:59 AM | #17 |
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They wouldn't add more expense unless it was necessary...
It used to be, like on '01 Z06s - they first cats' were pup' cats', just to keep the heat high so the primary (lower) cats' would light-off sooner and work more efficiently. This could be the case here, however, I dont' know if there are pup' cats', and actually think the considerable emissions from LSA are probably what is necessary to keep emissions well within check. I don't know how accurate the reports are for LSA, but when you compare it's carbon emissions to other cars - they are quite high. Of course - LSA is considerably more powerful, but it may just be necessary. However - if LS9 can get away with only one pair of cats'... I maintain GM would add expensive cats' unless it were necessary
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03-12-2012, 12:17 PM | #18 |
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That was my thoughts exactly, the ZR1 has one I thought and I just got a new Silverado two weeks ago and it only has one cat per side on it..just don't see the need is all and your right, the cost of those mid-pipes per car is crazy, they could save a buck or two.
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Removing Cats never hurts the car. Cats are a restriction in the exhuast for eviromental resons. there is no perfromance or tuning benifit to cats that I have ever heard of. If it is a track car ditch them. on my 01 mustang GT it had 4 cats and I noticed more power from the midpipe swap than the catback changover. you do get more fuel smell with no cats though. If you will ever drive it on the streets high flows are bit nicer smell wise sitting at a stop light.
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03-13-2012, 02:35 PM | #21 |
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Meow?
Sorry, that's what I thought when I saw your post title. Back to the thread
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03-14-2012, 10:36 AM | #22 |
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Man they look exactly the same as the ls3 cats... Could be a easy swap to say a solo performance cat and get a nice sound with the valves open.
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03-14-2012, 10:55 AM | #23 |
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Also can someone explain the reason why you have a x-pipe or a h-pipe? Why not just have a straight pipe?
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03-14-2012, 11:12 AM | #24 |
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It allows scavenging, it pulls the exhaust gases out better than straight pipes.
Gas passed through the x or h from one bank and it helps pull exhaust from the other bank.
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I think replacement cats' could be something to consider, especially from Solo Quote:
In the past - tuners and magazines have taken apart OEM H-pipes ('Vetts are what I'm visualizing right now), and what we see on the outside is a lot different than the inside. The inside of the assembly is actually smaller because smaller tubes are implanted, for whatever reason (maybe to keep the heat high ), and I'd read tests where just the mid-pipe was changed with an aftermarket H or X-pipe, with correct sizing, and there were improvements in efficiency and power. Please don't get me wrong - I'm not poking fun or suggesting GM's exhaust is sub-standard. It looks outstanding from what we can see, and I'm sure testing against aftermarket systems will probably yield little to no efficiency gains. I do know the OEM's have different standards and other considerations to abide by, so sometimes, there are improvements than can be made. I really like the fact there are no resonators on ZL1 and am very pleased with what GM looks like they're giving us. I'll be saving a lot of money over what I thought I was going to have to do to reach my goal in this regard JMVHO I'll be watching ARH and Kooks, among the others, for mid-pipe replacement that include H' or X-pipes It improves the sound a little more, too
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03-14-2012, 01:29 PM | #27 |
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Here's the one pic' I have of the mufflers from 'Vette, just for referrence.
Sorry - back on topic
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So radz, from strictly a sound perspective, what would you feel will boast the loudest sound while maintaining the stock mufflers (I like the valve idea) but more importantly, not ruin the efficiency of the exhaust flow?
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