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To steer this back on topic some. Is OP doing twin or single turbo setup? All that you quoted above are twin turbo setups. If OP is doing single turbo, what are the est figures on that then? The questiom to start off with was if his turbo kit would be faster than a bolt on SS. If single turbo...Im doubting it will
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The facts are the IPS kit gives the V6 ZL1 power for less than the MSRP difference between the the cheapest V6 and the cheapest SS. So, it is a viable option. The OP is trying to determine if it is the correct option for him. People that know absolutely nothing about TT V6s posting demonstrably false information about that option and then trying to prove their point by bringing in unrelated FI kits are not helping him make an informed decision. Instead they are engaging in self validation.
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Can't we all just get along....
No we can't because V8 guys who post dumb uninformed crap in the V6 section have a penis size issue or something. The OP asked for advice on a V6 FI setup not on your opinions V8 vs. V6 this is why we can't have nice conversations anymore. I blame the parents clearly didn't beat some of their children enough growing up.
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Lets be real and you know as well as I do. It doesnt take all that much if the driver doesnt have enough seat time with their car..no matter how fast the car has been documented going.
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And you have neither a V8 or TT V6 so..... thanks for all that you are able to contribute.
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08-13-2014, 11:26 PM | #48 |
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I like my IPF SC'd V6. I know it does not make the kind of power the turbos do but I've driven it now for a year and a half with no other issues but the LLT tune. I know what it'll beat and what it won't. I'll just say this: if you're driving an SS with bolt ons and a tune, good luck and have fun breathing my running a bit too rich exhaust fumes. My car has better sways, end links bushings, properly set up coil overs and the same brakes as an SS. It's a very fun car to drive.
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You guys need to step back and relax. You're acting like I attacked you or something. If anything Gretchen, I've always spoken well of you on here, on another Camaro forum, and on 2 Camaro pages on Facebook. I even posted a link featuring your car when a bunch of SS guys were bashing the V6ers out there...just to show them what the V6 is capable of. And like I said already, I have no desire or intention to argue with you. And furthermore, I don't deserve the lack of respect you're starting to show me. Now if we can't continue this in a polite manner, then I will more than gladly excuse myself from this conversation. Believe me, I can find a dozen different Camaro related arguments in an hour if I wanted to.
Now with that said, you're doing a lot of speculation for cars that don't drag or go to the track. I don't care if they have 700 hp, if it has never been to the track, then all you can do is speculate on what it'll do. And to answer your question, no, I never raced a ZL-1. I go to the track to run my best time, not to compete with the car in the next lane. I could be lined up with a ZR1 or a Civic, it doesn't matter unless it is a legit race...which it isn't. Like I said, I ran a 12.83. So if a ZL-1 runs faster than a 12.83, then no, I can't beat it...obviously. But the point is, that I have not seen any V6 Camaro with a TT run a low 12. Not just on this site, but on Youtube and every other Camaro forum or page. I have not seen it. And I looked. You posted 3 examples of Camaros none of which have been to the track. Racing is more than just HP. For all I know, maybe the drive train can't put that power to use. And again, like I said, I have only spoken out of what I've seen and read. I have already said that I will acknowledge any hardcore proof that shows the opposite of what I know. So far, there has only been guesses and speculation. If you think a TT V6 Camaro is gonna run with a ZL-1 then that is your belief. But don't go talking to me like I'm BSing and you're all-knowing when you haven't provided any substantial proof. We're both talking based on what we know and believe. So if you can't prove it, then we're both in the same boat man. Just sayin... |
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And for the record, we all know what Gretchen's car can do. But his car isn't an otherwise stock V6 with a TT. His car is very highly modified. The OP is in a stock V6 with a TT set-up. That is a far cry from your car Gretchen. If someone asked whether or not a V6 can run X time or make X power with TTs, then we could point to you and your car and say it is possible. But this is not the case here.
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Your post that I took exception with didn't mention anything about drivers. Quote:
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No disrespect intended.
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But the OP is not talking about a build like mine. The three I mention are the ones that have basically stock cars with turbos added. Thanks for the props, but bringing my car into this is just as misleading as some of the other posts.
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At the power levels the guys with the IPS turbo kits are putting out, I would guesstimate them being capable of a mid to low 12 easily, high to mid 11s with a good driver, good track prep and optimal weather.
In my old SS, with nothing but a cold air intake I built myself, high flow cats I built myself, and some lighter 18" wheels (still on street tires), in good weather, I was running 12.5x-12.6x with a stick. In about 40-60 dyno runs, my highest pull EVER was 396.7HP/409.4TQ on a Dynocom dyno. Last edited by Jason@JacFab; 08-14-2014 at 11:50 AM. |
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Heres the thing...
There are not many forced induction V6s. Yes there are a bunch of IPF supercharger kits sold, but not a ton of those guys are on this forum. But when you talk turbo V6s, there not many of them at all. EVEN LESS of them are drag racing....so this is a very rare group your talking about here. Now...the IPF supercharger kits are centrifugal, and their power is found on the top end. Thats part of the reason these particular builds may not be much if any faster (and sometimes slower) than a stock SS on the 1/4 mile. But catch one on the highway, and say you want to do a little rolling fun, the IPF V6 will likely have an advantage....especially if they have other supporting bolt ons. The IPF kit with headers on a V6 typically pushs around 380 - 400+ rwhp depending on the transmission. So no stock SS is keeping up with this on the road. By the way..here is video of one with nothing more than the kit, on stock tires doing a 12.8. This time is not a typical run, but shows the potential. I can find another video of a completely stock V6, with just the kit, on the stock LS wheels and tires running a 13 flat. So now lets talk about the turbo guys. Theres a whopping THREE of them....three of them on this site (not counting Gretchen). These guys are making 450ish HP and TQ, with a broader power curve than the supercharged guys. I have seen video of a few of these turbo guys beating modified V8s.....BUT....it was on the street. I agree with Gretchen in that, there is much miss-information, that a turbo setup on the V6 only gets you to the levels of the V8, or maybe close to it. But the reality is that a properly done up kit will push the V6 well beyond a stock V8, to a decently modified one.
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