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LOWDOWN · 11-17-2011, 08:38 AM

Mike, thanks for making a return appearance! I had hoped to meet you at 13 Mile at Woodward, but "the best laid plans"...weren't...

You should be aware we are very pleased with the LPE L28's results at Pahrump, first go 'round. I'm sure the promise potential of this badass brute in ballerina slippers will be fully realized, soon. Please keep us apprised...

As to the near-600 rwhp...yowsa!! The old "Hot Rodder's Axiom" comes to mind:

"If some is GOOD, and more is BETTER, then too much is JUST RIGHT!"

TLSTWIN · 11-17-2011, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@Lingenfelter

Our LS7 powered L / 28 made 593 hp / 510 ftlb on the tires.

We are working on both the complete L / 28 pricing, and on component pricing if someone wanted to build their own. We will have pricing available soon.

That is almost, if not, 700HP at the motor

LOWDOWN · 11-17-2011, 09:12 AM

"681", said the dyno to the operator...

TLSTWIN · 11-17-2011, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

"681", said the dyno to the operator...

Well, I know that is what was originially posted, but not to generate 593 to the rear tires, that would only be about a 12 to 13% loss.....

LOWDOWN · 11-17-2011, 09:36 AM

The "final" tune would be done based on the chassis dyno results/feedback...

calbert1999 · 11-17-2011, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

What do these weigh in comparison to an LS3?

My understanding is the weight is about twice the amount of the aluminum block. So, an added 100lbs. block.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Calbert likes engines that can take a lot of boost

Well, at the very least "hold up" to "some boost" with some kind of reliability. Everyone knows, there are "no guarntees" with a motor NOT built for boost; Only luck of the draw, diminished value (can only use 20% of your SC investment, without other engine mods), and a matter of time when the LS3 will fail under boost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Correctamundo

NA all the way.

To each their own. Not everybody will want a NA 500hp. Z/28's, just like not everyone wants an NA SS, and not everyonoe will settle for a 550hp. ZL1.
Regardless, NA or not; It's best to start with a "foundation" that will be great for high compression NA builds or lower compression FI applications and won't break under pressure. Don't you recommend proper foundation for suspension? Why not the motor? That's the whole purpose of the "iron" LSX motor (proper foundation for high HP / TQ applications).
Isn't that worth the 100lbs. which is diminished by the potential for huge power gains?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Yes I'll take the all aluminum LS7 thank you very much.

A good un-educated decision. By, far the LSX block is much more superior than the LS7 block. It was based on the C5R engine. If you know what that is I'm sure you'd change your mind.

Mike@Lingenfelter · 11-17-2011, 12:56 PM

Thanks for the kind words. We are pretty happy with our "out of the box" performance. As Pete has stated, there is a lot of performance left. We will continue to develop the package, and are working on the plan right now.

The changes we are going to make are really minor. More of them will be tweaks to the current package, not changing parts. The components we used to create the package are all very sound and work well togeather. We were not even able to test different tire pressures, or shock settings. The car is that fast, and that green.

Sorry we were not able to meet at Woodward. There is always this year.

Or, maybe at Camaro5 III in Indy. We plan to be there, along with the L / 28. Of course, by then there could be a whole group of L / 28's in attendance.

*DGthe3* · 11-17-2011, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calbert1999

A good un-educated decision. By, far the LSX block is much more superior than the LS7 block. It was based on the C5R engine. If you know what that is I'm sure you'd change your mind.

Sure, its stronger. But if you're not going to approach the limits of the LS7, the added strength of the LSX block doesn't really matter, does it? Meanwhile, for a car that is being build to handle well the extra weight is a hindrance. For you, sure the LSX is superior. But for someone like me who would either keep the engine stock, or at most go with a somewhat mild N/A build, the all aluminum LS7 is a better choice.

And for the record ... the LS7 is also based on the C5R engine

JusticePete · 11-17-2011, 01:30 PM

Mike,

I think the L/28 should gio back on the dyno. Now that everything has been run in a bit I'll bet dollars to donuts it is a clean 600 to the rear wheels.

ShnOmac · 11-17-2011, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@Lingenfelter

Or, maybe at Camaro5 III in Indy. We plan to be there, along with the L / 28. Of course, by then there could be a whole group of L / 28's in attendance.

If I can make it can I have a ride in it?????? Pretty please!

JusticePete · 11-17-2011, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

If I can make it can I have a ride in it?????? Pretty please!

The L/28 has two Corbeau racing seats with five point harnesses

ShnOmac · 11-17-2011, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete

The L/28 has two Corbeau racing seats with five point harnesses

I can't wait for more footage of this beast turning laps at the track!

2cnd chance · 11-17-2011, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Sure, its stronger. But if you're not going to approach the limits of the LS7, the added strength of the LSX block doesn't really matter, does it? Meanwhile, for a car that is being build to handle well the extra weight is a hindrance. For you, sure the LSX is superior. But for someone like me who would either keep the engine stock, or at most go with a somewhat mild N/A build, the all aluminum LS7 is a better choice.

And for the record ... the LS7 is also based on the C5R engine

And that's a BIG AMEN!

And, exactly why there's room for a ZL1 and a Z28.

LOWDOWN · 11-17-2011, 04:10 PM

BTW, if I just plain HAVE to put stupid-ridiculous power 'tween my front tires on my Jenny Craig-graduating, 'Ring-conquerring ZEE, I'd likely find myself pesterin' these folks for a block...

http://www.worldcastings.com/product...um-block-.html

You could have Steve Lambert massage one o' these for me, couldn't ya, Mike?!

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11-17-2011, 08:38 AM	#1415
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Mike, thanks for making a return appearance! I had hoped to meet you at 13 Mile at Woodward, but "the best laid plans"...weren't... You should be aware we are very pleased with the LPE L28's results at Pahrump, first go 'round. I'm sure the promise potential of this badass brute in ballerina slippers will be fully realized, soon. Please keep us apprised... As to the near-600 rwhp...yowsa!! The old "Hot Rodder's Axiom" comes to mind: "If some is GOOD, and more is BETTER, then too much is JUST RIGHT!"

11-17-2011, 09:12 AM	#1417
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	"681", said the dyno to the operator...

11-17-2011, 09:36 AM	#1419
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	The "final" tune would be done based on the chassis dyno results/feedback...

11-17-2011, 12:56 PM	#1421
Mike@Lingenfelter Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Brighton, MI Posts: 19	Thanks for the kind words. We are pretty happy with our "out of the box" performance. As Pete has stated, there is a lot of performance left. We will continue to develop the package, and are working on the plan right now. The changes we are going to make are really minor. More of them will be tweaks to the current package, not changing parts. The components we used to create the package are all very sound and work well togeather. We were not even able to test different tire pressures, or shock settings. The car is that fast, and that green. Sorry we were not able to meet at Woodward. There is always this year. Or, maybe at Camaro5 III in Indy. We plan to be there, along with the L / 28. Of course, by then there could be a whole group of L / 28's in attendance.

11-17-2011, 01:30 PM	#1423
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	Mike, I think the L/28 should gio back on the dyno. Now that everything has been run in a bit I'll bet dollars to donuts it is a clean 600 to the rear wheels.

11-17-2011, 04:10 PM	#1428
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	BTW, if I just plain HAVE to put stupid-ridiculous power 'tween my front tires on my Jenny Craig-graduating, 'Ring-conquerring ZEE, I'd likely find myself pesterin' these folks for a block... http://www.worldcastings.com/product...um-block-.html You could have Steve Lambert massage one o' these for me, couldn't ya, Mike?!