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jjjaroscak · 06-21-2013, 03:21 PM

I'm installing the Pedders subframe bushing inserts and can't even get started. What is the torque value of the sub-frame bushing bolts? I can't even get those suckers off!

blazzin1 · 06-21-2013, 04:25 PM

According to the Pfadt instructions, they are torqued to 100 ft-lbs. Get a big 1/2" breaker bar and the right size socket, and they'll come loose!

caverman · 06-21-2013, 04:32 PM

Use a breaker bar or a good impact. I had no issues with the actual bolt. Biggest issue was getting the hat off the sub-frame.

hairzee · 06-21-2013, 04:41 PM

I have a cheap impact and they came off no problem. A breaker should work also.

I dropped the entire cradle which was easy and made access much better. However, I read somewhere where somebody lowered the carrier and then placed 4 sockets between the bushes and car and then jacked the carrier up letting the weight of the car do the work and press them out.

good luck fun stuff

jjjaroscak · 06-21-2013, 05:37 PM

Ah yes, works much better with a longer torque wrench capable of 250 ft/lb. Hopefully this was the only hurdle I'll run into. Thanks for the replies.

ZL1-V · 06-21-2013, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hairzee

I have a cheap impact and they came off no problem. A breaker should work also.

I dropped the entire cradle which was easy and made access much better. However, I read somewhere where somebody lowered the carrier and then placed 4 sockets between the bushes and car and then jacked the carrier up letting the weight of the car do the work and press them out.

good luck fun stuff

Haddad Motorsports did drop the cradle on my ZL1 when I watched them install mine last month. Made a huge difference.

jjjaroscak · 06-21-2013, 08:30 PM

Does it matter if I re-torque the bolts before or after dropping the car back down?

The Stig · 06-21-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjaroscak

Does it matter if I re-torque the bolts before or after dropping the car back down?

Torque the bolts after you time the bushings.

madmaxx18 · 06-21-2013, 09:10 PM

use a pipe stick it over the ratchet or breaker bar to break the torque or a big combo wrench to gain extra leverage on your wrench !!!! Easy pipe to use is your pipe jack from your car jack is what I use all the time for breaking torque on hard to break bolts.

caverman · 06-21-2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjaroscak

Does it matter if I re-torque the bolts before or after dropping the car back down?

Are you talking about the subframe bolts? I did mine before I put the car on the ground.

Tip: put a little blue locktite on the bolts and get try to torque them to around 80# and you should be good.

jjjaroscak · 06-21-2013, 09:51 PM

Timed, locktited, and torqued! Thanks for the help everyone! That was definitely the most challenging mod I've done so far. Getting those metal plates off the bottom of the front bushings SUCKED!

Now to do the radius rod inserts on Sunday, get an alignment during the week, then hit the track next Saturday.

lscamaro · 06-21-2013, 11:58 PM

Did you do it on jack stands? Got any advice? What are your impressions?

I'm planning on doing this mod soon

caverman · 06-22-2013, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jjjaroscak

Timed, locktited, and torqued! Thanks for the help everyone! That was definitely the most challenging mod I've done so far. Getting those metal plates off the bottom of the front bushings SUCKED!
Now to do the radius rod inserts on Sunday, get an alignment during the week, then hit the track next Saturday.

What method did you use to get the metal plates off?

The radius rod inserts are super easy.

caverman · 06-22-2013, 08:42 AM

I'll throw this thread out there just in case someone hasn't seen it yet. It might help someone with the install.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...hlight=pedders

06-21-2013, 03:21 PM	#1
jjjaroscak Drives: Cyber Gray 2011 2LT Camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kern County, CA Posts: 168 View My Garage	Subframe bushing inserts help! I'm installing the Pedders subframe bushing inserts and can't even get started. What is the torque value of the sub-frame bushing bolts? I can't even get those suckers off!

06-21-2013, 04:32 PM	#3
caverman Drives: '69 SS Convertible Join Date: May 2009 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 7,111	Use a breaker bar or a good impact. I had no issues with the actual bolt. Biggest issue was getting the hat off the sub-frame. __________________ *-2010 Camaro* 2SS \| M6 \| VR w/White Stripes \| 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow \| LPE 3.91 gears \| ADM tuned \| Halltech w/ADM Scoop \| Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod \| BC Coilovers\| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars \| Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings \| VMax TB \| Morimoto Projectors \| MGW shifter \| Red Calipers Build Journal

06-21-2013, 04:41 PM	#4
hairzee Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 177	I have a cheap impact and they came off no problem. A breaker should work also. I dropped the entire cradle which was easy and made access much better. However, I read somewhere where somebody lowered the carrier and then placed 4 sockets between the bushes and car and then jacked the carrier up letting the weight of the car do the work and press them out. good luck fun stuff __________________ 2010 SS, CAI intake, Kooks 1 7/8 LT with high flow cats, Pfadt Sways and Springs, Lloyds Mats, Magnaflow 3"cat back, Ported TB, JRE tune, Rx Catch Can, Forgestar F14, BMR subframe, BMR 4point strut brace.

06-21-2013, 11:58 PM	#12
lscamaro Drives: 2011 CGM Camaro LS A6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,305	Did you do it on jack stands? Got any advice? What are your impressions? I'm planning on doing this mod soon __________________ Click Picture for Build Thread

06-22-2013, 08:42 AM	#14
caverman Drives: '69 SS Convertible Join Date: May 2009 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 7,111	I'll throw this thread out there just in case someone hasn't seen it yet. It might help someone with the install. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...hlight=pedders __________________ *-2010 Camaro* 2SS \| M6 \| VR w/White Stripes \| 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow \| LPE 3.91 gears \| ADM tuned \| Halltech w/ADM Scoop \| Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod \| BC Coilovers\| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars \| Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings \| VMax TB \| Morimoto Projectors \| MGW shifter \| Red Calipers Build Journal

06-21-2013, 04:25 PM	#2
blazzin1 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS R6P Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: St. Cloud, FL Posts: 4,845 View My Garage	According to the Pfadt instructions, they are torqued to 100 ft-lbs. Get a big 1/2" breaker bar and the right size socket, and they'll come loose!

06-21-2013, 05:37 PM	#5
jjjaroscak Drives: Cyber Gray 2011 2LT Camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kern County, CA Posts: 168 View My Garage	Ah yes, works much better with a longer torque wrench capable of 250 ft/lb. Hopefully this was the only hurdle I'll run into. Thanks for the replies.

06-21-2013, 08:30 PM	#7
jjjaroscak Drives: Cyber Gray 2011 2LT Camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kern County, CA Posts: 168 View My Garage	Does it matter if I re-torque the bolts before or after dropping the car back down?

06-21-2013, 09:10 PM	#9
madmaxx18 Drives: 07_tundra/08_zo6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Wichita falls, tx Posts: 722	use a pipe stick it over the ratchet or breaker bar to break the torque or a big combo wrench to gain extra leverage on your wrench !!!! Easy pipe to use is your pipe jack from your car jack is what I use all the time for breaking torque on hard to break bolts.

06-21-2013, 09:51 PM	#11
jjjaroscak Drives: Cyber Gray 2011 2LT Camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kern County, CA Posts: 168 View My Garage	Timed, locktited, and torqued! Thanks for the help everyone! That was definitely the most challenging mod I've done so far. Getting those metal plates off the bottom of the front bushings SUCKED! Now to do the radius rod inserts on Sunday, get an alignment during the week, then hit the track next Saturday.