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LEADfoot927 · 05-25-2015, 11:29 PM

I closely compared the ZL1 and the CTS-V before purchasing my current car. With the 2013 gt500 the 2012 gt500 vs zl1 debate became obsolete. I was wondering has anyone drove or owned both of these cars? It seems with similar 0-60 times on the 4 second range, 1/4 mile in the low 12's, and stock fast list times around 11.6, and the VIR times under 3 minutes with the gt500/svtpp, it seems these two cars may be closer in comparison than many think? With power to weight ratio being on the gt500's favor, and higher torque in the ZL1s corner, it seems to me it may be a drivers race. Anyone have any input? BTW I am not starting a gt500/ZL1 war, I love both cars and hope to have both in my driveway one day.

Wasp · 05-27-2015, 04:03 AM

ZL1 was made to beat the GT500. At the time they were not 662 hp.

I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can, but I'd say ZL1 would take pre 2013 GT500s in each category, but not by much. A simple pulley, cai, or exhaust would be the difference in winning.

2011shelby · 05-27-2015, 07:42 AM

Believe it's cheaper to get to 700 RWHP with the GT500.
If modding matters to you.

Looked at a few ZL1's for a second toy, but never commited yet.

inferno2ls · 06-02-2015, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 2011shelby

Believe it's cheaper to get to 700 RWHP with the GT500.
If modding matters to you.

Looked at a few ZL1's for a second toy, but never commited yet.

If you don't like the zl1 I am taking donations haha !

GossipSquirrelJelena · 06-02-2015, 10:03 AM

If you plan to leave them stock I'd go with the ZL1. All though the GT500 is a hell of a lot easier to see out of while driving.

LEADfoot927 · 06-04-2015, 12:43 AM

I ran into a ZL1 this weekend at the track. We both ran near identical times all day. I had drag radials and he had drag radials and skinnies up front. Both M6.

Todd in Vancouver · 06-04-2015, 12:58 AM

For drag Id give the GT the advantage with lower weight and easy mods. Road course the IRS is pretty hard to beat when paired with big torque and big brakes.

Both are awesome cars but when I had to choose I just felt the ZL1 was a bettr all round package

VADER SS L99 · 06-04-2015, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Todd in Vancouver

For drag Id give the GT the advantage with lower weight and easy mods. Road course the IRS is pretty hard to beat when paired with big torque and big brakes.

Both are awesome cars but when I had to choose I just felt the ZL1 was a bettr all round package

I think a auto ZL1 would be better for drag both stock and modded while a manual ZL1 would be better in the twisties but not as good as the GT500 at the drag.
I think a head to head comparison of the manual 2012 GT500 and ZL1 would have been cool.

okbfd · 06-04-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011shelby

Believe it's cheaper to get to 700 RWHP with the GT500.
If modding matters to you.

Looked at a few ZL1's for a second toy, but never commited yet.

Pretty much pulley and tune is all that is needed

VADER SS L99 · 06-05-2015, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by okbfd

Pretty much pulley and tune is all that is needed

Pulley and tune on a otherwise stock Condor 5.4 with a traditional roots blower Eaton M122 makes 700RWHP? I would like to see some proof of that. Even with E85 I think that might be a stretch. Are you sure your not confusing the Condor 5.4 with the Trinity 5.8 with a TVS 2300? I think some of you are confusing the 2013 GT500 with the 2012 GT500

Grabber · 06-05-2015, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Pulley and tune on a otherwise stock Condor 5.4 with a traditional roots blower Eaton M122 makes 700RWHP? I would like to see some proof of that. Even with E85 I think that might be a stretch. Are you sure your not confusing the Condor 5.4 with the Trinity 5.8 with a TVS 2300? I think some of you are confusing the 2013 GT500 with the 2012 GT500

I call BS on an 11/12 GT500 putting down 700 RWHP with a Pulley/Tune. It will take a bigger blower or a ported blower with full bolt-ons to get close.

I've seen quite a few put down 500 RWHP stock and they come very close to 600 RWHP with Intake/Tune/Exhaust/Pulley which is still impressive.

A 13/14 GT500 will certainly put down 700 RWHP or more with the mods above.

2011shelby · 06-05-2015, 09:46 AM

My 2011 GT500 took.
TVS blower
17 psi. boost
long tubes
O/R H-pipe
65mm throttle body
127mm CAI
56 lb. injectors
Dyno tune 20* timing
708rwhp 694 rwt
Supporting mods: dual fan heat exchanger, thermostat, fuel pump booster.

LEADfoot927 · 06-05-2015, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011shelby

My 2011 GT500 took.
TVS blower
17 psi. boost
long tubes
O/R H-pipe
65mm throttle body
127mm CAI
56 lb. injectors
Dyno tune 20* timing
708rwhp 694 rwt
Supporting mods: dual fan heat exchanger, thermostat, fuel pump booster.

How is the long term reliability with that set up?

VADER SS L99 · 06-05-2015, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Grabber

I call BS on an 11/12 GT500 putting down 700 RWHP with a Pulley/Tune. It will take a bigger blower or a ported blower with full bolt-ons to get close.

I've seen quite a few put down 500 RWHP stock and they come very close to 600 RWHP with Intake/Tune/Exhaust/Pulley which is still impressive.

A 13/14 GT500 will certainly put down 700 RWHP or more with the mods above.

Yeah, I think they are confusing the 2012 with a 2013. Otherwise I call BS as well.

05-25-2015, 11:29 PM	#1
LEADfoot927 Drives: 2012 GT500 SVTPP Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Lewis, WA Posts: 448	2011-2012 gt500 vs zl1 I closely compared the ZL1 and the CTS-V before purchasing my current car. With the 2013 gt500 the 2012 gt500 vs zl1 debate became obsolete. I was wondering has anyone drove or owned both of these cars? It seems with similar 0-60 times on the 4 second range, 1/4 mile in the low 12's, and stock fast list times around 11.6, and the VIR times under 3 minutes with the gt500/svtpp, it seems these two cars may be closer in comparison than many think? With power to weight ratio being on the gt500's favor, and higher torque in the ZL1s corner, it seems to me it may be a drivers race. Anyone have any input? BTW I am not starting a gt500/ZL1 war, I love both cars and hope to have both in my driveway one day. __________________ Past rides: 2002 BMW M3 2010 Camaro V6 2010 Camaro SS L99 2011 Camaro SS Ls3 2011 Dodge Charger R/T 2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 Super Bee/ Reso Delete Current ride: 2012 GT500/ 2.3 TVS, Afco Dual pass heat exchanger, Roush Extreme Exhaust: 606 rwhp/ 611 wtq

05-27-2015, 04:03 AM	#2
Wasp Drives: 2011 Camaro Victory Red 2SS/RS Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 564	ZL1 was made to beat the GT500. At the time they were not 662 hp. I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can, but I'd say ZL1 would take pre 2013 GT500s in each category, but not by much. A simple pulley, cai, or exhaust would be the difference in winning. __________________ 2011 LS3 Bone Stock 1/4 - 12.841 @110.69 LS3 + CAI (no tune) 1/8 - 8.27 @ 89

06-04-2015, 12:43 AM	#6
LEADfoot927 Drives: 2012 GT500 SVTPP Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Lewis, WA Posts: 448	I ran into a ZL1 this weekend at the track. We both ran near identical times all day. I had drag radials and he had drag radials and skinnies up front. Both M6. __________________ Past rides: 2002 BMW M3 2010 Camaro V6 2010 Camaro SS L99 2011 Camaro SS Ls3 2011 Dodge Charger R/T 2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 Super Bee/ Reso Delete Current ride: 2012 GT500/ 2.3 TVS, Afco Dual pass heat exchanger, Roush Extreme Exhaust: 606 rwhp/ 611 wtq

06-04-2015, 12:58 AM	#7
Todd in Vancouver Drives: 2014 ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,538 View My Garage	For drag Id give the GT the advantage with lower weight and easy mods. Road course the IRS is pretty hard to beat when paired with big torque and big brakes. Both are awesome cars but when I had to choose I just felt the ZL1 was a bettr all round package __________________ Todd in Vancouver '14 ZL1 Camaro '67 Camaro SS Pro-tour in process How hard can it be... Check out my other build http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/9...ject-Obsession Last edited by Todd in Vancouver; 06-04-2015 at 01:19 AM.

05-27-2015, 07:42 AM	#3
2011shelby Drives: 2011ShelbyGT500 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 293	Believe it's cheaper to get to 700 RWHP with the GT500. If modding matters to you. Looked at a few ZL1's for a second toy, but never commited yet.

06-02-2015, 10:03 AM	#5
GossipSquirrelJelena Account Suspended Drives: 2015 Mustang GT. Supercharged. Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: South Jersey Posts: 971	If you plan to leave them stock I'd go with the ZL1. All though the GT500 is a hell of a lot easier to see out of while driving.

06-05-2015, 09:46 AM	#12
2011shelby Drives: 2011ShelbyGT500 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 293	My 2011 GT500 took. TVS blower 17 psi. boost long tubes O/R H-pipe 65mm throttle body 127mm CAI 56 lb. injectors Dyno tune 20* timing 708rwhp 694 rwt Supporting mods: dual fan heat exchanger, thermostat, fuel pump booster.