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KaBoom1701 · 11-29-2016, 09:32 PM

Has anyone ever tried to install a larger Eaton S/C on one of our ZL1's?

Stands to reasons you could keep the OEM set up and just install a larger unit that would help cool better and provide more boost without having to spin the factory 1.9L unit so high....

Just wondering...

STUNNAH · 11-29-2016, 11:01 PM

I'm sure that someone has probably done it but cost and a more complex system would be my reason for not attempting to do so...Plus would one be able to use as a DD???I will never mod mine so that it can't be used as a DD...That's just me...Now if Chevy upped the game by going to a larger SC, game over, I would be all in...

1KillerSS · 11-29-2016, 11:45 PM

Blownfogger540 · 11-30-2016, 02:31 AM

yes the zr1 is a tvs2300 but cost is insane and you need the lingenfelter swap snout to make it work $$$$$$

Z/28Dan · 11-30-2016, 07:19 AM

Under 7 grand for the Maggie and it keeps the OEM setup:

http://www.lingenfelter.com/product/...362158-BL.html

revo1059 · 11-30-2016, 08:46 AM

There have been a few threads that have come to the conclusion that the Heartbeat isn't worth the $$$ for what you gain.

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 11-30-2016, 08:49 AM

LS9 swap it

KaBoom1701 · 11-30-2016, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZL1Dan

Under 7 grand for the Maggie and it keeps the OEM setup:

http://www.lingenfelter.com/product/...362158-BL.html

Interesting they dont show any HP numbers with this set up?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

LS9 swap it

Impressive engine. I never really looked at the LS9 before but it seems like a great way to go even over the LS7 that the Z/28 have in them.

Dega Man · 11-30-2016, 12:42 PM

Going with the ZR1 2.3 charger sound good and I was considering going that route, until I talked with the guys at Livernois and ADM. They both stated that the newer 1.9 charger on the ZL1 was more efficient than the 2.3 charger on the ZR1. ADM also did a apples to apples comparison which He posted on the thread link below.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...hlight=ZL1+ZR1

ZMEnow · 11-30-2016, 12:43 PM

The SC on the Z is actually quite efficient, vs going to a larger eaton. I think Ted Jannety has some info on the additional drag you will deal with and more heat in trying to turn the bigger blower. The current SC works quite efficient if you solve the cooling issues.

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 11-30-2016, 01:10 PM

Yep, either lightly mod your current engine or heavily mod it and prepare to spend quite a bit in cooling. But you'd have to do that no matter what car you had (Cooling mods that is, and or course preventative mods).

Money no option and if you really wanted to stay with your ZL1, then Lingenfelter does completely LS9 swap it for 25,000$+

And I don't know who said that the LSA is more efficient, because while that may be true blower wise, the LS9 is a superior engine in every way. Everything from the injectors being bigger, race oil system, larger cam (LSA guys often swap to the LS9 cam), and the LS9 even has forged internals right out of the box. People are making way way over 1000 on ZR1s with Pulleys/Cam/E85 and then a quick shot of NOS and the car drives just fine. Now I'm sure people are going to say that the same thing can be done on the LSA but I'm not so sure. The LS9 can handle a big cam swap and aggressive pulleys without changes of injectors, BAPs, heat exchangers, etc. It's a monstrous engine.

In the latest generation GM performance cars (6th for the ZL1, 7th for the Vette, and 3rd for the CTS-V) they all share the same 650 HP LT4 from the Z06...If we had that in our 5th Gen ZL1s, we would have gotten the LS7, which IMHO is a downgrade from the LSA.

But man I really wish we had gotten the LS9 in our 5th ZL1s. The bigger, badder, brother of the LSA.

IMO, LS9>LT4>LSA>LS7. All very close margins. Aren't we lucky that GM has been cranking out awesome performance engines for the last 2 gens.

Dega Man · 11-30-2016, 02:13 PM

I think everyone know and agree that the ZR1 come with forged internals and dry sump systems, bigger camshaft, ti-intake valves, etc, but however some very reputable shops all seem to agree that the 1.9 LSA supercharger is more efficient and a quicker revving supercharger, even ADM posted a good apple to apple comparison. No one is arguing that the ZR1 engine is better, but I see several LSA engines in Caddies and ZL1's taking a lot of punishment and being beat on and continue to live with no problems.

Candr3535 · 11-30-2016, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZL1Dan

Under 7 grand for the Maggie and it keeps the OEM setup:

http://www.lingenfelter.com/product/...362158-BL.html

Exactly what I was thinking especially since the Eaton has the raddle problem. I'd just go with the heartbeat, hands down...

Can'tHave2MuchHP · 11-30-2016, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dega Man

I think everyone know and agree that the ZR1 come with forged internals and dry sump systems, bigger camshaft, ti-intake valves, etc, but however some very reputable shops all seem to agree that the 1.9 LSA supercharger is more efficient and a quicker revving supercharger, even ADM posted a good apple to apple comparison. No one is arguing that the ZR1 engine is better, but I see several LSA engines in Caddies and ZL1's taking a lot of punishment and being beat on and continue to live with no problems.

Yes, LSA's take a lot of punishment. Yes, the LSA and LS9 are very similar and very tough engines. But, if I had the choice of either to be in my ZL1, it would be the LS9. That's my only point.

Not bashing our LSAs in anyway, it's just IMHO (Key part is the in MY opinion) that the LS9 is better.

11-29-2016, 09:32 PM	#1
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,630	Larger Eaton Supercharger? Has anyone ever tried to install a larger Eaton S/C on one of our ZL1's? Stands to reasons you could keep the OEM set up and just install a larger unit that would help cool better and provide more boost without having to spin the factory 1.9L unit so high.... Just wondering... __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

11-29-2016, 11:01 PM	#2
STUNNAH "BEASTM*DE" Drives: 2013 ZL1 Black Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,655 View My Garage	I'm sure that someone has probably done it but cost and a more complex system would be my reason for not attempting to do so...Plus would one be able to use as a DD???I will never mod mine so that it can't be used as a DD...That's just me...Now if Chevy upped the game by going to a larger SC, game over, I would be all in... __________________ Vengeance Racing Stage 1 Kit 575rwhp, 569 rwtq... Rims powder coated gloss black...BFG'S Comp 2 A/S... Dual 10" Kicker Comp S Subs 1200w...

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11-30-2016, 07:19 AM	#5
Z/28Dan Drives: 2013 HWSE Indy Festial #26 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 2,670 View My Garage	Under 7 grand for the Maggie and it keeps the OEM setup: http://www.lingenfelter.com/product/...362158-BL.html __________________ There are only so many days in your lifetime. So get out and drive your Camaro... Dan

11-30-2016, 12:42 PM	#9
Dega Man Drives: ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Talladega Posts: 631	Going with the ZR1 2.3 charger sound good and I was considering going that route, until I talked with the guys at Livernois and ADM. They both stated that the newer 1.9 charger on the ZL1 was more efficient than the 2.3 charger on the ZR1. ADM also did a apples to apples comparison which He posted on the thread link below. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...hlight=ZL1+ZR1 Last edited by Dega Man; 11-30-2016 at 01:02 PM.

11-30-2016, 02:31 AM	#4
Blownfogger540 Drives: 2013 ZL1 416 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Langley B.C Posts: 2,619	yes the zr1 is a tvs2300 but cost is insane and you need the lingenfelter swap snout to make it work $$$$$$

11-30-2016, 08:46 AM	#6
revo1059 Drives: Black 2012 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Buffalo Grove Posts: 433	There have been a few threads that have come to the conclusion that the Heartbeat isn't worth the $$$ for what you gain.

11-30-2016, 08:49 AM	#7
Can'tHave2MuchHP Drives: Fast Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,696	LS9 swap it

11-30-2016, 12:43 PM	#10
ZMEnow Drives: ZL1, 2013, tri-coat-red, manual Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,607	The SC on the Z is actually quite efficient, vs going to a larger eaton. I think Ted Jannety has some info on the additional drag you will deal with and more heat in trying to turn the bigger blower. The current SC works quite efficient if you solve the cooling issues.

11-30-2016, 01:10 PM	#11
Can'tHave2MuchHP Drives: Fast Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,696	Yep, either lightly mod your current engine or heavily mod it and prepare to spend quite a bit in cooling. But you'd have to do that no matter what car you had (Cooling mods that is, and or course preventative mods). Money no option and if you really wanted to stay with your ZL1, then Lingenfelter does completely LS9 swap it for 25,000$+ And I don't know who said that the LSA is more efficient, because while that may be true blower wise, the LS9 is a superior engine in every way. Everything from the injectors being bigger, race oil system, larger cam (LSA guys often swap to the LS9 cam), and the LS9 even has forged internals right out of the box. People are making way way over 1000 on ZR1s with Pulleys/Cam/E85 and then a quick shot of NOS and the car drives just fine. Now I'm sure people are going to say that the same thing can be done on the LSA but I'm not so sure. The LS9 can handle a big cam swap and aggressive pulleys without changes of injectors, BAPs, heat exchangers, etc. It's a monstrous engine. In the latest generation GM performance cars (6th for the ZL1, 7th for the Vette, and 3rd for the CTS-V) they all share the same 650 HP LT4 from the Z06...If we had that in our 5th Gen ZL1s, we would have gotten the LS7, which IMHO is a downgrade from the LSA. But man I really wish we had gotten the LS9 in our 5th ZL1s. The bigger, badder, brother of the LSA. IMO, LS9>LT4>LSA>LS7. All very close margins. Aren't we lucky that GM has been cranking out awesome performance engines for the last 2 gens.

11-30-2016, 02:13 PM	#12
Dega Man Drives: ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Talladega Posts: 631	I think everyone know and agree that the ZR1 come with forged internals and dry sump systems, bigger camshaft, ti-intake valves, etc, but however some very reputable shops all seem to agree that the 1.9 LSA supercharger is more efficient and a quicker revving supercharger, even ADM posted a good apple to apple comparison. No one is arguing that the ZR1 engine is better, but I see several LSA engines in Caddies and ZL1's taking a lot of punishment and being beat on and continue to live with no problems. Last edited by Dega Man; 11-30-2016 at 02:35 PM.