Winter's 2001 SS Build thread!

[Bulldogwinters]

Originally Posted by Zabo

Hey, it's even more fun when you LEARN stick on a Hurst LS1. However, you put a stall in that A4 and you'll be hanging with any M6 at the track. More consistent launches and with some tweaking more consistent access to the powerband.

You also don't have to deal with skip-shift.

However.. when this happens..

Dynoing your Camaro/Firebird for the hell of it: 50 bucks
Deleting CAGS(Skip shift) to 200mph: 20 bucks
Finding out your stock LS1 only makes 303 RWHP with no adders, old oil, injector cleaner, and clogged cats: Priceless

Things get a bit better.

I'd take an SS or WS6, but knowing that my color was passed over my GM for WS6 treatment kinda makes me feel good. Not good enough for 'special option package' treatment, GM? Well so what.. still looks badass 11 years later.

That was always my goal to learn on a hurst LS1... other things got in the way unfortunately.

I was hoping to get mine dynoed before I did any mods, however it'll probably wait till I do my headers and need a tune. bet I can beat your stock to stock rwhp I'm gonna guess and say around 320 hp stock for my LS1

I know kinda how you feel, I loved my old camaro, purple pearl metallic was a unique color. I think there were like 3K built over the 93-94 period.. it wasnt even good enough for GM to continue it more than 2 years!

[dmginc]

ive been thinking about dynoing my TA. probably before and after my exhaust upgrade, SLP ORY and going to go with LM2 for now.

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by Bulldogwinters

That was always my goal to learn on a hurst LS1... other things got in the way unfortunately.

I was hoping to get mine dynoed before I did any mods, however it'll probably wait till I do my headers and need a tune. bet I can beat your stock to stock rwhp I'm gonna guess and say around 320 hp stock for my LS1

Eh, if CFIII is in Joliet and you hoof it out, I'll let you try it out.

As for the '01 SS, it's pretty much a CAI on a stock LS1 w/o EGR. I'd say around 307-310hp. All in all the claims made of 340hp and 305hp on various LS1s are bogus.

They all fall on the dyno between 300-310RWHP stock or 345-360 crank hp stock. Mine came out via 15% power loss math to 348 crank hp. GM didn't de-tune them from the vette. They just built more of 'em and stuck them in the F-Bodies.

[dmginc]

01 and 02 came with LS6 intakes which boosted HP a little. i have seen many stock 01/02 ws6's pull 320+ hp at the wheels and around 340 tq, they are rated 325/350 for those 2 years. firehawk was rated at like 345hp.

[GEEo]

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by dmginc

01 and 02 came with LS6 intakes which boosted HP a little. i have seen many stock 01/02 ws6's pull 320+ hp at the wheels and around 340 tq, they are rated 325/350 for those 2 years. firehawk was rated at like 345hp.

Hence why I said w/o EGR. That's what boosted the power. No parasitic loss with the 'barely-worth-it' EGR system that plagues my '00. :/ And you aren't the only one to see a WS6 pull 320. Hell the highest I've seen a stock T/A go was 318 (and that was a 2000 too..)

But just because they were rated at that number (305-345-pick a number in between) doesn't mean that all LS1s from 01-02 couldn't pump out 345-350hp at the crank like a stock LS1 vette. There's a reason why LS engines are the go to crate and modern approximation to the venerable crate SBC.

Not arguing so much as pointing out that in reality, factory numbers of LS1s were moot cross models, CAI or no. In the end they all made north of 345 consistently.

[insidethreat07]

off topic, what kind of dog is that? Is it a pug?

[Bulldogwinters]

Originally Posted by insidethreat07

off topic, what kind of dog is that? Is it a pug?

Yep, We have two black pugs.. however, Max (the one in the pic) likes to be a part of everything I do

Originally Posted by Zabo

Hence why I said w/o EGR. That's what boosted the power. No parasitic loss with the 'barely-worth-it' EGR system that plagues my '00. :/ And you aren't the only one to see a WS6 pull 320. Hell the highest I've seen a stock T/A go was 318 (and that was a 2000 too..)

But just because they were rated at that number (305-345-pick a number in between) doesn't mean that all LS1s from 01-02 couldn't pump out 345-350hp at the crank like a stock LS1 vette. There's a reason why LS engines are the go to crate and modern approximation to the venerable crate SBC.

Not arguing so much as pointing out that in reality, factory numbers of LS1s were moot cross models, CAI or no. In the end they all made north of 345 consistently.

I may have to do it, just to see what it is.. my buddy's dad owns a diesel shop and they have a dyno..

[01pewterz28]

All of the HP claims vary my 01 Z28 on the dyno was 311 rwhp that was stock w/2.73's, my friends 02 Hawk with the 345 HP package dynoed at 293 rwhp A4 was well.

Sean

[Bulldogwinters]

UPDATE
Filed a claim on ebay, my exhaust (ordered june 24th) still hasnt even shipped!! So we'll see how that ends up working out..

In the meantime, just went and got a quote on tinting my side windows and got the only "sticker" that will ever go on my car..

Rest In peace Austin Tyler St. Germaine, You are already missed.

[Zabo]

Originally Posted by 01pewterz28

All of the HP claims vary my 01 Z28 on the dyno was 311 rwhp that was stock w/2.73's, my friends 02 Hawk with the 345 HP package dynoed at 293 rwhp A4 was well.

Sean

What brand Dyno was it? That also has a big thing to do with these numbers. The only way to really tell the difference is to get a bunch of LS1s to the same shop, the same day, and just take down data.

That's how I got my 'proof' (my car, then a WS6 w/ TB, then another stock LS T/A, a Stock Z w/ suspension, and an SS, then various monsters..). Various gearing and other things (like past dyno sheets on the TB'd WS6) was accounted for and they were within 20hp of each other, like the new LS3 engines are getting.

However, unlike the LS3s, the LS1s when corrected are showing consistently more power than factory rated.

[dmginc]

was it that much cheaper on ebay? only 375 for the LM1 or LM2 at ws6store.com

[Bulldogwinters]

Originally Posted by dmginc

was it that much cheaper on ebay? only 375 for the LM1 or LM2 at ws6store.com

one dollar cheaper.. however, I didn't check WS6store or else I woulda gotten it from them!

Luckily though, The seller finally shipped it, it'll get here next wednesday.. I'm sick of waiting!!!!:upset:

[dmginc]

ill be ordering my SLP Y pipe and LM2 in a couple of weeks. Then a trip to Long Island to install it in my uncles garage, he has a nice new lift!