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Bhobbs · 09-01-2012, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

How much are people be willing to pay for a 5th Gen Z/28 that outperforms the Boss 302 LS in every category? Over $50K?

I just don't see how the Z/28 could end up costing $50k plus. The 1LE is $37 so where does the extra $13k come from?

Bad@ssCamaro · 09-01-2012, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I just don't see how the Z/28 could end up costing $50k plus. The 1LE is $37 so where does the extra $13k come from?

It would be a miracle to have a Z/28 with an LS9 in the 5th Gen. You also could be stepping on the ZL1's toes. More than likely it will have either the new Gen V engine or an LS7 and reasonably optioned-out price at 48K MSRP 46K invoice.

JusticePete · 09-01-2012, 02:01 PM

We don't care about stepping on toes. Build a Z/28 my way and we'll have a NA Z/28 that out runs the BOSS, GT500 and ZL1 on a road course.

2cnd chance · 09-01-2012, 03:22 PM

Yeah Baby! (in my best Austin Powers voice)

Bhobbs · 09-01-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

It would be a miracle to have a Z/28 with an LS9 in the 5th Gen. You also could be stepping on the ZL1's toes. More than likely it will have either the new Gen V engine or an LS7 and reasonably optioned-out price at 48K MSRP 46K invoice.

There's no way the Z/28 is getting the LS9. That would make it more powerful than the almighty ZL1.

Mikes SS · 09-01-2012, 07:18 PM

Uhhhh yeah, maybe a performance upgrade for the ZL1 would be the LS9..who thinks this stuff up? It's a given, all along the hopefuls, the Z/28 has to be naturally aspirated, and to answer the question Bhobbs, the 13k difference comes into play because everyone keeps whining that they want the LS7 in the car instead of holding GM down and making them give us an engine with some tech in it and R&D with 480-500 hp without needing 7.0 liters to do it in!!

wildpaws · 09-01-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikes SS

Uhhhh yeah, maybe a performance upgrade for the ZL1 would be the LS9..who thinks this stuff up? It's a given, all along the hopefuls, the Z/28 has to be naturally aspirated, and to answer the question Bhobbs, the 13k difference comes into play because everyone keeps whining that they want the LS7 in the car instead of holding GM down and making them give us an engine with some tech in it and R&D with 480-500 hp without needing 7.0 liters to do it in!!

One problem is we can't force GM to do anything, and they have shown no inclination to put together a 'one off" type engine for anything other than the LS9 for the ZR1. So I don't expect to see a new engine for the Z/28 in the 5th gen and it's too early to say what they may or may not do for the 6th gen. I'd love to see them do a new Z/28 engine for the 5th gen, expecting it to happen is an entirely different matter.
Clyde

Mikes SS · 09-01-2012, 08:23 PM

It doesn't have to be a "one off" they can use the motor in other applications, let's say the new "SS" sedan that is right around the corner..just detuned..I really want them to debut a new engine in a car that has really in my opinion put GM back on the map. They are doing many great things to the rest of their line-up and still seems like the Camaro is just getting the left overs

JusticePete · 09-01-2012, 08:59 PM

I for one do not want an LS9 and the associated extra weight and heat. It works well in the Vette because of the designed in balance of the platform and with the light weight Vette doesn't have to work as hard. I want Normally Aspirated power.

Bhobbs · 09-01-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikes SS

Uhhhh yeah, maybe a performance upgrade for the ZL1 would be the LS9..who thinks this stuff up? It's a given, all along the hopefuls, the Z/28 has to be naturally aspirated, and to answer the question Bhobbs, the 13k difference comes into play because everyone keeps whining that they want the LS7 in the car instead of holding GM down and making them give us an engine with some tech in it and R&D with 480-500 hp without needing 7.0 liters to do it in!!

How is it whining to use what is currently available? How are we going to force GM to build something they have no intention to build?

Bhobbs · 09-01-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

I for one do not want an LS9 and the associated extra weight and heat. It works well in the Vette because of the designed in balance of the platform and with the light weight Vette doesn't have to work as hard. I want Normally Aspirated power.

Besides from what I have read, the Z06/Z07 Carbon is almost as fast as the ZR1 around a track.

Norm Peterson · 09-02-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikes SS

the 13k difference comes into play because everyone keeps whining that they want the LS7 in the car instead of holding GM down and making them give us an engine with some tech in it and R&D with 480-500 hp without needing 7.0 liters to do it in!!

With an "engine with some tech in it" you'd likely be looking at more than a $13k premium. At least initially, and I don't see a high-tech V8 figuring into the mainstream products. Never mind that if the tech is rushed, you're more likely to encounter difficulties with early production. The #8 cylinder issues in the 5.0 DOHC Ford motors immediately comes to mind here.

On the one hand, I see the technical advantages of a smaller displacement DOHC engine. But I also see physical bulk, engine CG, and probably engine weight advantages being with the pushrod arrangement, and I don't think those can be ignored either.

Norm

wildpaws · 09-02-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

With an "engine with some tech in it" you'd likely be looking at more than a $13k premium. At least initially, and I don't see a high-tech V8 figuring into the mainstream products. Never mind that if the tech is rushed, you're more likely to encounter difficulties with early production. The #8 cylinder issues in the 5.0 DOHC Ford motors immediately comes to mind here.

On the one hand, I see the technical advantages of a smaller displacement DOHC engine. But I also see physical bulk, engine CG, and probably engine weight advantages being with the pushrod arrangement, and I don't think those can be ignored either.

Norm

I pretty much agree with what you said and I do not expect to see a DOHC V-8 or other exotic design in the GM engine lineup any time soon.
Clyde

LOWDOWN · 09-02-2012, 04:03 PM

News Flash!

The Gen-5 SBC aka "LT1" is NOT OHC...it is, in fact, a not-so-far departure from the current LS family without a "raised cam". In fact, with 1-point higher CR combined with DI and slightly canted valves, expect maybe a 10% hp increase...maybe less...in n/a 6.2L form...

So, for Camaro comrades, is it likely to see the light of day in a "special" Gen-5 Camaro (MY '14), or will it be held as Zee engine of choice in Gen-6 (Alpha-based) versions? Why?

Discuss...

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