ZL1 vs Hellcat

[OneSlowV]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...r_srt_hellcat/


Went like i thought camaro would get stomped bad at the drag strip. And won in the corners. Just got me thinking if the challenger had wider tires if it could get close in the corners. What you guys think?

[URBAN LEGEND]

Hellcat is king!

[shaffe]

I said this before in one of the other hellcat threads that has this article. What makes this different than the GT500 vs ZL1.

GT500 won in straightline, ZL1 in corners-yet they chose ZL1.

Here we have Hellcat winning in straightline, ZL1 in corners, hellcat wins

[Cody6.2]

Originally Posted by OneSlowV

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...r_srt_hellcat/


Went like i thought camaro would get stomped bad at the drag strip. And won in the corners. Just got me thinking if the challenger had wider tires if it could get close in the corners. What you guys think?

Lets be honest here and get one thing out of the way. With the amount of TC/SC modes the ZL1 has on top of it's power deficit and wider tires it's easy to falsely crown it a track star. Hold the TC/SC button down for 10 seconds and the story quickly changes. Now imagine that plus 100hp more on tap and little less tire.

It isn't about one car being better or worse at anything but simple physics instead. It isn't that the Camaro is a track assaulting masterpiece but that Ford & Dodge built a car that's good at everything.

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by Cody6.2

It isn't about one car being better or worse at anything but simple physics instead. It isn't that the Camaro is a track assaulting masterpiece but that Ford & Dodge built a car that's good at some things, but not everything.

Fixed that for you. Ford and Dodge still have some work to do. But then, so does GM.

So it only proves that while GM got a bit stagnant since 2012, Ford and Chrysler were hard at work trying to come up with something to one-up Chevy, and they have. The ZL1 pushed its rivals, and is resting on its laurels. In some areas, the competition STILL hasn't caught up 4 model years later. And unlike Ford and GM, in the Dodge, you MUST do big-time horsepower with the top on.

Depending on how the bean counters view it, it's also a proven, steady and stable platform that has paid off. It's yet to be seen what growing pains, if any, the Hellcat has as far as monster engine reliability. Ford and GM has seemingly worked through theirs.

When corporations do this to each other, we're all winners, even if you come in third.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by Cody6.2

Lets be honest here and get one thing out of the way. With the amount of TC/SC modes the ZL1 has on top of it's power deficit and wider tires it's easy to falsely crown it a track star. Hold the TC/SC button down for 10 seconds and the story quickly changes. Now imagine that plus 100hp more on tap and little less tire.

It isn't about one car being better or worse at anything but simple physics instead. It isn't that the Camaro is a track assaulting masterpiece but that Ford & Dodge built a car that's good at everything.

Ridiculous statement on TC.

[ytown87]

Originally Posted by Cody6.2

It isn't about one car being better or worse at anything but simple physics instead. It isn't that the Camaro is a track assaulting masterpiece but that Ford & Dodge built a car that's good at everything.

The article had nothing to do with the Mustang at all really.

I read over it yesterday when it was released. In reality they gave it to the Hellcat because it was painted that sublime green and drew more attention every where they went over the silver Camaro. They made numerous comments about how much better the Camaro handled, put down the power, and was an all around great car. Hellcat won because no one cared about looking at a silver Camaro following a bright green Challenger. The Hellcat only did better in straight line and interior. They even said how the Hellcat wasnt that much better in the 1/8 compared to the Camaro.

I'm hoping the 2016 Camaro gets an interior at least as nice as the current C7 vette in fit/finish cool factor. If it does, do the test again with a bright yellow Camaro and a burgandy Hellcat and lets see what gets people drooling for the comparo win.

Let me add..I do like the Hellcat and I'm not downing the car but the MT test really didnt prove anything

[tc Bosnian]

I'm just curios on what GM will do to get back on top?

[sspolo]

I don't know a lot about cars, but as far as I can tell, the Camaro is also in not an average track car since it's heavy. It got suspension upgrades and sticky tires and it really worked out. Can't Ford or Challenger also upgrade the suspension/tires and have a track performing car? I understand the the ZL1 has the magnetic ride, but the 1LE has upgrades that you can buy anywhere, and it is praised for its handling.

To me it doesn't make sense why Ford or Challenger don't do something as simple... At least it seems simple.

[Faster12]

"People immediately began flocking to the Hellcat, leaving the poor Camaro, and Evans alone in line."

"While the Camaro and Challenger have traded blows in straight-line versus cornering speed, and been evenly matched just about everywhere else, street presence is an important criterion. Simply put, the Challenger SRT Hellcat has tons and the Camaro ZL1 has considerably less. Musclecars are supposed to be as much about the show as they are about the go."



The reasoning behind the Hellcat winning is pure bull$h!t. The only reason it was more awe inspiring is because the ZL1 is in its 3rd year. By now more people than not have already seen one, whereas the Hellcat has not been released yet. I still turn tons of heads in my Z. STREET PRESENCE in a yet to be released car vs a 3yr old design? Is that a fair comparison?

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by tc Bosnian

I'm just curios on what GM will do to get back on top?

Simple. Drop the 15 ZO6 motor in everything similar to what Mercedes does.

[KarFan]

HellCat is more of a one trick pony than the GT500.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by KarFan

HellCat is more of a one trick pony than the GT500.

Huh?

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by Faster12

"The reasoning behind the Hellcat winning is pure bull$h!t. The only reason it was more awe inspiring is because the ZL1 is in its 3rd year. By now more people than not have already seen one, whereas the Hellcat has not been released yet. I still turn tons of heads in my Z. STREET PRESENCE in a yet to be released car vs a 3yr old design? Is that a fair comparison?

Is that why?!?!
lol

Originally Posted by KarFan

HellCat is more of a one trick pony than the GT500.

It is?!?!
Have you seen one on the auto-x yet?! I haven't seen any videos of it doing the auto-x.