MGW VS Barton Shifter.

[Bee]

I can't comment on Barton, but I love my MGW shifter. I installed it back in 2011 and haven't missed a gear since.

Their website has an installation video and it looks like they have an option if you want to keep the factory shift knob.

[SIM GhostrdrZ]

Originally Posted by Bee

I can't comment on Barton, but I love my MGW shifter. I installed it back in 2011 and haven't missed a gear since.

Their website has an installation video and it looks like they have an option if you want to keep the factory shift knob.

Yes they do have that option. I have white retro knob and shaft that easily unscrews to put the OEM shaft and suede knob back in.
OEM knob not included.

[Joe.G]

I like the look of the Flat stick, I don't mind the stick shifter I just wish I had a little more confidence in shifting to third especially on the down shift. I do like the notchiness a kit of the Hurst short in my third Gen.

[George-CZ]

Maybe I'm asking stupidly... But what's so worldly about MGW or Barton?
I have a completely stock 2009 SS shifter and it seems absolutely perfect compared to European standards

What's the difference???

[Joe.G]

Tighter more precise shifts, shorter throws if you never tried a quality shifter you really need to. The results are well worth the swap. Now the short throw OEM in my 14? isn't the worst shifter in the world but I am sure the Barton or MGW is an improvement.

[George-CZ]

If given the chance, I'd definitely like to try Barton/MGW/HURST. But when you already meet 5 gen. Camaro, so it's either all OEM or automatic.

But in my opinion and according to what I learned in engineering high school, with shorter travel, you lose feel in handling the transmission, more stress is placed on the sync rings, and with a tight range, you lose feel for precision.

Maybe I'm wrong because I didn't have the chance to experience it personally. But I see only disadvantages in it.

[Bee]

Hey George...it's not shorter front to back, it is a shorter throw left to right. The best way to describe the feeling of a short-throw is when you shift from say 2nd to 3rd...the stock shifter goes from:

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where a short throw would be more like:

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[SIM GhostrdrZ]

Originally Posted by George-CZ

If given the chance, I'd definitely like to try Barton/MGW/HURST. But when you already meet 5 gen. Camaro, so it's either all OEM or automatic.

But in my opinion and according to what I learned in engineering high school, with shorter travel, you lose feel in handling the transmission, more stress is placed on the sync rings, and with a tight range, you lose feel for precision.

Maybe I'm wrong because I didn't have the chance to experience it personally. But I see only disadvantages in it.

So my old 56 truck with the 3ft shifter handle and sloppy feel has the advantage over my poor ole 14 Z28 mgw tight short shifter?

The stock shifters did improve throughout the 5th gen years. They really aren’t terrible relative speaking. But I replaced my OEM Z28 shifter with the mgw and enjoy it just a bit more. So when I got my ZL1 I replaced it as well and I enjoy that even more so. Is it worth the $? Most likely other mods worth more than a shifter and if there’s shifter/clutch issues, it’s probably the master or slave issue rather than shifter. So to each there own and when my synchro rings go out because of my shifter, I’ll post pics on the forum.

Enjoy rowing thru the gears

[George-CZ]

Originally Posted by Bee

Hey George...it's not shorter front to back, it is a shorter throw left to right. The best way to describe the feeling of a short-throw is when you shift from say 2nd to 3rd...the stock shifter goes from:

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where a short throw would be more like:

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As I wrote... I can't really imagine it in practice but personal experience would probably reveal more.
But it is true that I was not satisfied with the OEM SS knob, which when I replaced it with a T-handle, it works (for me) much better and more precisely.

[George-CZ]

Originally Posted by SIM GhostrdrZ

So my old 56 truck with the 3ft shifter handle and sloppy feel has the advantage over my poor ole 14 Z28 mgw tight short shifter?

The stock shifters did improve throughout the 5th gen years. They really aren’t terrible relative speaking. But I replaced my OEM Z28 shifter with the mgw and enjoy it just a bit more. So when I got my ZL1 I replaced it as well and I enjoy that even more so. Is it worth the $? Most likely other mods worth more than a shifter and if there’s shifter/clutch issues, it’s probably the master or slave issue rather than shifter. So to each there own and when my synchro rings go out because of my shifter, I’ll post pics on the forum.

Enjoy rowing thru the gears

As far as I know, there was no mention of your '56 truck.
I am talking about the Camaro 2010 SS shifter.
Compare comparables.

I grew up on manual transmissions of various types and sizes, actively raced and until now I drive as a professional driver in a company with a large fleet where 98% of cars are manual and until recently with a few cars without synchronization. I don't have the slightest problem with manuals and their operation.

And in my profession, I do not drive as Miss Daisy driver.








No need for sarcasm.

[SIM GhostrdrZ]

Originally Posted by George-CZ

As far as I know, there was no mention of your '56 truck.
I am talking about the Camaro 2010 SS shifter.
Compare comparables.

I grew up on manual transmissions of various types and sizes, actively raced and until now I drive as a professional driver in a company with a large fleet where 98% of cars are manual and until recently with a few cars without synchronization. I don't have the slightest problem with manuals and their operation.

And in my profession, I do not drive as Miss Daisy driver.

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No need for sarcasm.

Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, Sir. My apologizes.
I was just making light and I’m sure you’re an awesome driver. Just more parts to put into our Camaros that aren’t really needed but fun to mod, just because.

Now the woke are killing sarcasm? Great, nothings left.

[George-CZ]

Originally Posted by SIM GhostrdrZ

Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, Sir. My apologizes.
I was just making light and I’m sure you’re an awesome driver. Just more parts to put into our Camaros that aren’t really needed but fun to mod, just because.

Now the woke are killing sarcasm? Great, nothings left.

All fine and all good. Nothing happened
I really like the MGW shifter.
In appearance, it is a beautiful piece of engineering art.

I'm just trying to rationally justify buying it, when the current gearing seems absolutely perfect and very accurate.
I am trying to find out how it was possible to "improve the perfect" and compare the possible advantages and disadvantages that came to my mind from experience.

[DavidH]

I went MGW flat stock and EPCO custom knob. Pricey, but I Love every bit of it. Granted my stock 117k mile shifter was wore out. It was night and day difference, shifts are extremely precise. Can't comment on the Barton as I have not used one personally.

[Risingson05]

I’ve got mgw shifter without flat stick and kept stock shifter knob ..

It’s hard to tell a diff between the zl1 shifter and the mgw as before I installed the mgw , it was about 9 months before I drove it as my car was down for the winter getting its build done . I can tell you tho , this shift are precise and the 2-3 shift is phenomenal, you can bang gears pretty quick with it ..

Other than being a PIA to install , I’m glad I did it , as I was use to a short shifter as that what has been in my stick vehicles in the past ..

I also remember thinking that the stock zl1 shifter wasn’t that bad too