05-06-2009, 11:28 PM | #43 |
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I know I will get bashed for this but dont take this as a flame or what ever because I do have respect for you but, I'm not sure, maybe I missed something... I know the Camaro will be a great car when I eventually get it, just like the other 5 Chevrolets in my driveway. But I still dont understand why there was an early order program. If it was mainly to see how many people wanted the car, we should have been told that it was for marketing purposes instead of being led to believe that the earlier we ordered the sooner we would get a car. The question is still up in the air as to how people are walking in to dealers in March and getting thier car before the people that "pre-ordered" in October. Yeah, the RPO code will be nice to have but honestly, in 20 or 30 years, MOST of the cars with the RPO code wont be any more "special" because the saught after low VIN numbers were taken up by rental cars that will be thrashed. Modern cars dont hold the same value as the older cars do. One reason is because there are no special factory options you can get like you used to be able to. Sure, there are the RS, stripe, and interior options, but pretty much every car will be duplicated thousands of times. Again, I have all the respect for you and all the employees at GM, but it took more than one man to make this car happen. It would just be nice to hear somebody from GM say "you know what guys, we screwed up and this is what we plan on doing to fix it." or "it's to late to change it." It seems like anything good, and the higher ups are showing it off, but if something dont go as planned, the people with the answers just lay low and let it die. I ordered my car 10/29/08 without driving, sitting or even seeing one in person to this day, got the welcome pack, all the brochures and color charts, and have the cash sitting in the bank drawing intrest waiting to pay off my Camaro in full, so no matter how long it takes, how many things get screwed up or go wrong, I will wait on my car to get here. But never again will I waist the effort to "pre-order" any new car. I still dont know what my status is because I cant get it out of my dealer and I was referred to CamaroScotty and still(about a week now) havnt gotten a responce. Sure I will get it some day, But I would have thought I would have mine before the people that ordered 6 months after me.
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05-06-2009, 11:29 PM | #44 | |
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Because yours is an early car. We are retrofitting the early cars. Would you rather that we ship the car to your dealer with things that we don't think are acceptable? Reflashes, for example, do not take 5 minutes. Done properly, they take a substantial amount of time. We ARE motivated to get them out as quick as possible...we don't want upset customers -- and we don't want to tie up money by parking cars in a lot somewhere and just letting them sit. I'm sorry you're upset......we're turning them around as fast as we can. |
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05-06-2009, 11:31 PM | #45 |
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Thank you Scott for all the pep talks.
And for the patient ones that have to get their MBA before their car is ordered, with all this being said, seeing that Camaro is an immanent success, will there be a Z/28 next year?
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05-06-2009, 11:34 PM | #46 | |
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The past week I've been reading the book "Camaro, A Legend Reborn" and have gained a better understanding of the process of bringing this car into being and would like to say thank you to the hundreds of people that wouldn't let it die. When I'm driving around this summer I'll definitely be feeling the efforts of so many.
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05-06-2009, 11:37 PM | #47 |
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That is so good of you to help him out Scott. This is the fear that thousands of us have been having in the back of our minds for months. Please post and let us know what the resolution is for him. And thanks for sticking around and taking all of our abuse. We all are freaking out. If you did not have such a great car none of this would matter. During these tough times I think everyone is just looking for a little fair shake, the honest old fashioned way.
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05-06-2009, 11:37 PM | #48 |
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Thanks for the post Scott. Always good to hear from you.
I am guilty of whining, but it is all because of my passion for this new Camaro. You are right -- we want our Camaro, and we want it now. If it were just another car, I wouldn't bother complaining, BUT for whatever reason, this car gets in your head, gives me the chills and makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck like the anthem does at a ball game. Now that the official launch has come to pass, I will be watching carefully if the enthusiasts are getting their cars, or if the dealers are selling them off the lot. I really hope that it does not play out to be the later. .
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05-06-2009, 11:37 PM | #49 |
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Let's not turn this into a microcosm of national politics where people in opposite parties are told their legitimate questions are rude.
I too am curious why cars are arriving the way they do and people are being kept in the dark. I think it's a legitimate question because Fbodfather addressed MANY of the issues that concerned me in his message but this one issue he did not mention is probably the one that worries me the most. I'm sure other people are "gun shy" because of this. There has to be some way to explain this. |
05-06-2009, 11:39 PM | #50 |
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OldTimer -- It may help some other unsuspecting victim if you would post this dealers name.
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05-06-2009, 11:40 PM | #51 |
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I think that was a great post by fbodfather. I think most of us understand and accept that it will take time to build all those camaros. I know i'm not upset about the AVIS cars being built. What does upset/confuses me and I'll try to phrase this in the form of a question:
How is it that some people have said that they ordered their camaro after the preorder deadline but got it pulled for production before someone who preordered? I have read a couple of posts now where people are saying that they ordered after the preorder deadline and got their camaros pulled for production meanwhile there are so many of us that preordered who sit at 1100. I don't think im the only one whos asked this same question and since the odds of getting an answer to this question from GM is so low all we end up doing is just waiting and reading more posts about this happening. This situation makes it seem like GM doesn't care a lot about preorders and most of the camaro enthusiast are preordering. Eventually people are gonna get upset by this and start to complain. Perhaps fbodfather you ask this question to someone at GM and try to get an answer and help some of us understand this process better. |
05-06-2009, 11:40 PM | #53 |
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Scott,
I sincerely apologize for what you've had to put up with the last couple of years. I appreciate your work and effort. |
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05-06-2009, 11:44 PM | #56 |
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Oldtimer has mentioned the dealer name in another thread.
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