06-14-2011, 12:34 PM | #225 |
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I'm glad my phone call wasn't such a waste. Long ass hold times. CS Rep not knowing much. Transferred call. Being told no Auto will be available or optional.
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06-14-2011, 01:23 PM | #226 |
Some of you are dreaming on this price thing. Never said I knew it for sure but IMO it will be around that 60k price tag. And if you think there will be no mark ups the let's get real here. The SS was marked up in some places almost 10k over sticker. Why wouldn't they do that to a higher performance Camaro? If the ZL1 is a better performer than the GT500, then expect it to be priced accordingly. Wake up people.....not bashing the car, just trying to get some of you to start thinking logically and stop this low balling price talk. GM is in the business of making money and if all these options make it in the production model, prepare for higher price and pretty big mark ups.
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06-14-2011, 01:35 PM | #227 | |
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Also, GM does not make any money from dealer mark up -- the dealer does. There are plenty of dealers, including sponsors on this site, that will sell the ZL1 for MSRP.
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06-14-2011, 01:37 PM | #228 | |
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Well, I have been kinda ignoring your negativity, but now you are just plain WRONG! GM has NOTHING to do with any MARK UP....NOTHING!!! that is all based on your dealer... You have said nothing positive about the car, all you have done is criticize the whole thing. "if the ZL1 is better" that isn't negative at all... Plain and simple, the CTS-V BEAT the GT500 in every way. Now the ZL1 will have everything (suspension, engine, drivetrain, weight) the CTS-V has, but better and newer and lighter What are you considering "around 60K"? 55, 57? Give a plus or minus from your 60.... GM has said it will be competitively priced, so if that means it is the same price as a GT500, then that is still less than $60,000 and it will smoke the GT500 and in my opinion, that is a BETTER DEAL/BARGAIN...... would I like the ZL1 to be in the mid to high 40's of course, but that is pie in the sky.. The more accurate price range as to where this thing comes in at is $51,000 +/- 3,000 Now I feel like jrhaus
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06-14-2011, 01:41 PM | #229 |
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GT500 base model is $48,800. That's what we're being competitive with, so I'm guessing about the same to just under 50k. 55-57k all loaded up with options. .
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06-14-2011, 02:14 PM | #230 |
I never said GM had anything to do with the mark ups. I just said to expect them. I haven't been all negative on the car. Most of the people onthis thread are just quick to attack anyone with any idea different than their own. Basically if you go against the grain here, you get all your words twisted around by people that obviously don't pay attention to what they have read. Fully loaded ZL1 IMO will be right at 60k. A lesser loaded one around 55k. Just an opinion people, don't get so d**n defensive all the time. This forum is for opinions as well as fact. Get off your high horses.....
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06-14-2011, 02:18 PM | #231 | |
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06-14-2011, 02:43 PM | #232 | |
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What are the current #'s on your car? Edit: Note to self.....read all of thread before asking questions. Your car sounds like a beast,enjoy it. Where do you run? I'm from NC too & get out to the track pretty often. |
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06-14-2011, 02:46 PM | #234 | |
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06-14-2011, 03:31 PM | #235 | |
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First - there's the power. Okay - this is where, if anywhere, I would have any worry or concern about performance. While I think ZL1 might get up to about 580 horsepower, I'm not sure if that's enough staying power to keep fighting off the GT500 until the end of it's run for this generation. I don't know if I believe reports of 620 horsepower, however, I believe replacing the current Eaton with the newer 2300, it would be pretty easy to get to 600. Would I care if there was a 20 horsepower disparity? No - considering the following. Besides, I'll be pushing my warranty anyways, lol. Next - the chassis. New generation Electric Power Steering (EPS) and next generation Magnetic Ride (MR) suspension systems, in addition to the newly announced Performance Traction Management (PTM). While the GT500 already posesses this feature, EPS would impart ZL1 with similar tunability from the engineers to maximized feel and handling. The MR is something the competition doesn't have and allows track settings for all-out fast times and a touring-type ride for on your way home. Look how effective this feature is on GM's other two top rides: ZR1 and CTS-V. They pretty much OWN nearly all cars in their respective segments and price ranges. The closest car to ZR1 is the GTR if I understand correctly and the improvements to the '12 ZR1 should pretty much keep it at bay and only the Panamera is faster around the 'Ring than CTS-V, and it's something like nearly twice as much money. PTM is another feature on ZL1 that will make the most of the power available from ZL1's LSA. This is a reason I'm not too worried about the GT500. These three systems, working together, are going to be quite formidable for any car in ZL1's price point. Furthermore - powertrain. While ZL1 may be giving up in 4-digit power potential with it's LSA, OEM power should be great. In addition, from the balancer back, it's going to be built to take the abuse. While not many details have been confirmed by GM, recently, we've seen a tiny bit of the cast iron differential case on ZL1. Comparing it's relative size to respective SS differential cases, it's reasonable to extrapolate that it's ring and pinion are going to be seriously strong. While there's no confirmation on the exact size, members have stated it's a 14-bolt ring and pinion, which in truck terms, meant either a 9.5" or 10.5" ring gear. For those that don't know, those were used in 3/4 and 1-ton pickup trucks. There's no confirmation, but I think the extrapolation is sound. In addition, we've seen one axle shaft and a member reported it was the "small" one. It's spline count wasn't announced, but it looks probably in the neighborhood of the low-to-mid 30s, which is highly desirable for strength. Finally - aerodynamics, brakes, and tires. GM's stated a deliberate effort was made to tune aerodynamics and DOWNFORCE for ZL1. What this will translate to, is using more of that LSA power around and down the track or the strip. Pushing that car down will impart more tire friction and result in higher grip from the new Generation II F1s. The are still working with Goodyear (from what I've gathered) and a lighter and wider wheel and tire package (from SS) will impart greater available traction and allow to carry the speed into and out of the corners more effective. The 6-piston front calipers, along with the 0.5" larger rotors will bleed the heat off better and stave off brake fade more effectively. GM's stated many times that they don't want to be equal to the competition - they want to dominate. With the improvements to the '12 V6s, the upgrades for SS, and the introduction of ZL1, I believe they are completely serious. For a person to have an opinion otherwise on a CAMARO website confuses me, so I could've just wasted the last half hour with all the crap I posted above. Take it or leave it. I'll spend my money where I like, like everyone else. Just don't come into this Section, with the attitude it seemed like you had, and not expect some flames. Over-and-out.
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